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The login page
In the login page, there is a grammar error:
It says "There are problems with some of your input". Shouldn't it be "There are problems with some of your inputs?
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 19:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- "Some of your input" => "a portion of the data input by you". There is only one hunk of input data.
- Also, those strings are not written by me - they're by the people who made MediaWiki. If there's a grammar error there, you'd be better off reporting it with them.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)- OK. Done
-unsigned comment by CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs)
- OK. Done
Changing the content model
How do you change the content model of a page?
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 00:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Special:ChangeContentModel - only available to admins on this wiki.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 17:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)- I have changed the content model of a page before, but I forgot how to do it.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 01:48, 23 January 2020 (UTC)- I believe you had to move the page to a title that ends with .js .css .something...
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 02:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)- There's a page in JavaScript that needs to be changed to wikitext. Also, I appreciate your notification on my talk page, but I regularly check active users' talk pages and these messages can clutter up talk pages.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 02:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)- Can you delete the page User:CrazyBoy826/e?
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 02:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)- Ah, once the page has been created as JS moving it to a non-JS name won't change the content model. For cases like that it would have been better to post on S:CPSYS since {{delete}} wouldn't work.
- And yes, you have changed to content model of a page before, which is what alerted me that normal users could change content models and made me restrict the permission to admins.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Can you delete the page User:CrazyBoy826/e?
- There's a page in JavaScript that needs to be changed to wikitext. Also, I appreciate your notification on my talk page, but I regularly check active users' talk pages and these messages can clutter up talk pages.
- I believe you had to move the page to a title that ends with .js .css .something...
- I have changed the content model of a page before, but I forgot how to do it.
Why is our MediaWiki version so old?
(I'm posting this here because I though you'd probably know.) The latest version of MediaWiki is 1.34.0. However, Special:Version reports Scratch Wiki is on version 1.28.3. Why is the version so outdated?
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 15:33, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- MW updates too fast for us - a MW upgrade is a semi-major technical endeavor that would put the wiki in read-only for at least an hour or so. This version of MW has all the features we really need, and it's also one version above the Long Term Support version of MW (1.27).
- As to why we're on 1.28 in particular, I can only assume that that was the latest version when the German wiki (the first of the international wikis) was created - I wouldn't know on that front, those decisions predate me.
- Be glad with what you have. Before the first transfer, the enwiki was on 1.22...
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
About my Image
See... the thing you did to my image... was pointless... you made it a little bigger... and it didn't help that much
LokiBlaster (talk | contribs) 14:39, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, in the future just use four tildas (~~~~) to sign your messages.
- And my bot did exactly what it was supposed to - your image's filesize (number of bytes, not dimensions) was reduced while preserving all image data. I'm not sure what you mean by "made it a little bigger" - the only measurement that changed was decreased, not increased.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Side box
Can I use your side box? Please reply on my talk page
Waffle_Iron_Studios (talk | contribs) 20:06, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
I need a wikicode box...
Can you design a box with WikiCode that looks like a table of contents and has a black background, if you have some time? I need it for my new userpage and it would be a huge help. Thanks! (It's fine if you can't, I can ask someone else.)
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 15:54, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Lemme try below:
- This should work! (Try clicking the links!)
- Code for the entire example:
<div class="toc" style="background-color: black; color: white;">
<div style="text-align: center">
<h2 style="border-bottom: 1px solid white;">Contents</h2>
</div>
<ul style="margin-left: 0">
<!-- this is where you start adding items -->
<li class="toclevel-1">[[#You're gonna have to|<span class="tocnumber">1</span><span class="toctext">You're gonna have to</span>]]
<ul>
<li class="toclevel-2">[[#manually specify the list numbers|<span class="tocnumber">1.1</span><span class="toctext">manually specify the list numbers</span>]]</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="toclevel-1">[[#and section titles, though|<span class="tocnumber">2</span><span class="toctext">and section titles, though</span>]]</li>
<!-- this is where you stop adding items -->
</ul>
</div>
- Format for section without child:
<li class="toclevel-LEVEL WHERE 1 IS TOP">[[#TITLE OF SECTION|<span class="tocnumber">NUMBER OF ITEM IN LIST</span><span class="toctext">TITLE OF SECTION AGAIN</span>]]</li>
- Format for section with child:
<li class="toclevel-LEVEL">[[#TITLE OF SECTION|<span class="tocnumber">NUMBER OF (LEVEL) ITEM IN LIST</span><span class="toctext">TITLE OF SECTION AGAIN</span>]]
<ul>
<li class="toclevel-LEVEL+1">[[#TITLE OF SUBSECTION|<span class="tocnumber">NUMBER OF (LEVEL) ITEM IN LIST.NUMBER OF (LEVEL+1) ITEM IN LIST</span><span class="toctext">TITLE OF SUBSECTION AGAIN</span>]]</li>
</ul>
</li>
- (Here's where the example links to, just to illustrate that the links work - don't duplicate this.)
- the 1st item
- the 1st child of the 1st item
- the 2nd item
- Try it out - tinker if you need. No need to credit me in this case but you're still welcome to - this was a fun challenge, but not too time-consuming, :) thanks for helping me keep in practice with HTML lol :D
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 16:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC)- It looks great, I'll try it! Thank you soooooooo much!
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 16:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)- It works and looks awesome! Thanks again!
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 16:47, 4 March 2020 (UTC)- You're welcome! Again, it was fun to figure out. :) Looks pretty good on your page, too, for which I'm glad :D
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- You're welcome! Again, it was fun to figure out. :) Looks pretty good on your page, too, for which I'm glad :D
- It works and looks awesome! Thanks again!
- It looks great, I'll try it! Thank you soooooooo much!
Your bot is acting weird
File:Flag-stop-scratch-3.PNG was compressed from 2KB to... 2KB?
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 14:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Downloading the two versions and checking the exact filesizes reveals that it was from 2.2KB to 1.7KB.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)- Ah, OK.
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 17:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, OK.
My request to create a file was denied but it should be accepted
I was trying to create a file for my welcome template, but it got denied because I didn't add a summary, but that's exactly what I did, so I was told if the result was an error, I had to tell a bureaucrat about it. Please do whatever you can about this problem. Thank you.
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 17:30, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- The message you got said this:
“ | You must enter a comment when uploading a new version of a file or editing a file page. You must also include a category when uploading new files. | ” |
– AbuseFilter |
- Looking at the abuse log, you did have a summary, but you didn't have a category.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:17, 10 March 2020 (UTC)- There was only one option, and it said "No category". What do I do?
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 10:21, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- You would need to type the following:
[[Category:Users' Images]]
Dominic305 Talk Contribs (1,791) Scratch Directory 13:48, 11 March 2020 (UTC)- Thank you, Dominic305, and Kenny2scratch, for your help!
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 17:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, Dominic305, and Kenny2scratch, for your help!
Hi
Why was my message deleted?
BookTV (talk | contribs) 00:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Your post was removed because you were carrying over unnecessary main site drama (which is not allowed)
TenType (talk | contribs) 00:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)- Yeah, it's Wiki policy that if you're blocked on Scratch you don't necessarily get blocked on the Wiki, but if you start complaining about/bemoaning your fate on the Wiki or otherwise carry that drama over here then you will be blocked here too. This is your fair warning.
- Also, I'm afraid I don't actually have connections with the ST - the Wiki is run independently. And even if I did, I would never plead your case - if you got blocked, that's your own issue to handle. Trying to get an "in" with the ST is highly unethical.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Question
How do you reply to posts on talk pages?
BookTV (talk | contribs) 01:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Like this - add one colon at the start of your message with every level of reply. (Also, your signature goes at the end of your last line, not on a line of its own. See Help:Welcome/4 for more info :)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm trying to welcome my friend to the Scratch Wiki, I typed the file name and it didn't work!
Seriously, I even looked up the name of my file in the list of uploaded files, I added the name, I previewed it and it just shows up as a red link.
Below is what I wrote.
User:OurPrincess/Welcome template
Below is the red link it showed. It even shows a red link in the code above! User:OurPrincess/Welcome template
Please help solve the problem I'm having. Thank you,
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 17:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Your file is here: File:Welcome template.PNG. To use it in a page, use
[[File:Welcome template.PNG]]
.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 18:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)- Thank you so much!
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 09:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much!
Shouldn't these discussions be in the Not Done section of the CP?
- #Logging server faults
- #Articles to update for 3.0
- ...and perhaps some more.
I would move them, but I didn't know if there's a certain reason you're keeping them in the main part of the CP.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:03, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- First one is still for active use, not awaiting further discussion - it stays on the CP until the faults stop happening.
- Second one can probably be moved if you feel like it.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:33, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! :D
Thanks you!
DreamingIsHope (talk | contribs) 19:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)DreamingIsHope
- Nos problem! ;)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Your recent deletion
I saw that you deleted Shop Federation (forums) - I didn't create this article, and whether it's deleted or not doesn't matter much to me. However, I wanted to ask you about it. Under that logic, couldn't something like Shop (forums) be deleted? Shops are user-generated content and also not Scratch Team-sponsored... In fact the description of the "requests" forum is "Looking for something? Want to offer your skills to others?" - it doesn't mention anything about shops.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is, the description of it on the main forums page.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)- There were other reasons for the deletion, and I realize in retrospect that I picked the wrong one to put in the deletion summary:
- The article contained about 3 lines of text, total.
- IMO shop federations should be mentioned in Scratch Trends rather than their own page
- The first of which was the real main reason. If there actually is a large amount of content that can be written about shop federations, then I'm okay with a page on it - I recommend drafting in userspace while finding content, though.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- There were other reasons for the deletion, and I realize in retrospect that I picked the wrong one to put in the deletion summary:
Shop Federation Draft
Hello,
I recently started a wiki page about Shop Federations. I'm sorry that I posted it without properly finishing it (I think I did have more details but forgot to save). Anyway, I took your advice (when replying to another user) and starting drafting it on my user page. I still need to add some more content and citations but I was wondering if you think it qualifies for its own page? Thanks for your time.
Co49 (talk | contribs) 10:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Looks a lot better than the state I found it in!
- There are a couple of typos ("eachother", "noteable"), but that's not the main issue.
- One main issue is that "Awards:" and "Worker Hub:" are still empty - was something supposed to go there?
- The other is the note at the end of the article - "these are subject to opinion". The Wiki is not a place to express opinions; the only opinions that can be written about are existing opinions (which must all be referenced). Also, I don't actually know what "these" even is - is the entire article subject to opinion? because in that case it shouldn't exist; is the previous paragraph subject to opinion? in that case, change it to "users are of the opinion that" bladebla and find an example of a real user expressing that opinion to cite.
- Otherwise it looks good to me at a glance! Make sure to remember to add a category to the end when you put it into mainspace.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 13:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)- Yes, I have not finished the article. I wanted to check that it qualified for its own page before I continued working on it. I got the "these are subject to opinion" from collaboration page. I'll remove that and find an an opinion to cite. Thanks for help and taking the time to review it!
Co49 (talk | contribs) 18:01, 23 April 2020 (UTC)- Just wondering, is it a general rule now that articles without much content should be started in the userspace?
Luvexina Talk Contribs On Scratch 22:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)- It's not an official rule, but articles in mainspace should have some amount of content already, otherwise I delete them; you don't technically have to draft them in userspace, but there's no other place for them, lol.
- By the way, @Co49, please use {{open userpage}} on your draft if you want anyone else to edit it. :)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Just wondering, is it a general rule now that articles without much content should be started in the userspace?
- Yes, I have not finished the article. I wanted to check that it qualified for its own page before I continued working on it. I got the "these are subject to opinion" from collaboration page. I'll remove that and find an an opinion to cite. Thanks for help and taking the time to review it!
Dead link
When I saw the edit summary of this revision of yours, for a second I thought you meant outside of the reference and I was like "Oh no. Has the style guideline been changed again?!" But I'm glad that I was wrong. By the way, I did find where I got the idea that I should put {{dead link}} outside references. Is this issue not relevant anymore?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Wait what are you currently doing with dead references?
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)- Putting {{dead link}} inside the reference, as per the new style guideline
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)- Argh, I agree with my past self but if you've been putting it inside I think it's best to stick with that - the advantages I mentioned in that topic are not major ones, and iirc {{dead link}} doesn't use any parser functions or anything so it's not really an issue for it to be inside the reference.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Argh, I agree with my past self but if you've been putting it inside I think it's best to stick with that - the advantages I mentioned in that topic are not major ones, and iirc {{dead link}} doesn't use any parser functions or anything so it's not really an issue for it to be inside the reference.
- Putting {{dead link}} inside the reference, as per the new style guideline
Replying
Hi, kenny2scratch. How does a user on the wiki reply to a comment on the wiki? For istance if I wanted to reply to something on my talk page or reply to comment in an article. Thanks!
-unsigned comment by J Coder26 (talk | contribs)
- Hello, J_Coder26! Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! You may find Help:Welcome/4 useful. Also, in the future, please add a section heading before your post, with
== Name of section ==
. Also, make sure to sign your posts with~~~~
(that's covered in the tutorial though).
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC) - Hi, please read the Welcome tutorial which answers your questions and many others that you may have, including replying, signing your posts, and a lot to do with Wiki editing as well. Thanks!
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Echo
Hi Ken,
Why exactly do you think the Echo extension would make the wiki more like a social network? I've been more active on Wikipedia in the past couple months, and I don't really think it adds that effect — it just notifies you when you're mentioned (or if someone posts on your talk page), if you reach a certain edit milestone, or for other event(s), like if a page you created is patrolled. I'm sure you know most of this already, since you're on Wikipedia, but how exactly does this turn the wiki into a social network? The goal of Wikipedia is still the same, and I think they're achieving this goal pretty well.
I personally think it would be useful to have, especially for New Wikians — then they would be notified if someone replies to their comment (as long as the user replying mentions them). Of course, I don't know how hard it is to add, especially because we don't use the vector skin by default.
Also, unrelated, but since I haven't said this to you, I hope you're doing well, especially amidst the current events in the world!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Also, sorry for posting here so much. Of the past eight discussions (including this one), half of them were started by me.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:06, 18 May 2020 (UTC)- Maybe a social network isn't the right word, but I feel like it would be a distraction from editing. People here should generally be paying more attention to Recent Changes (we don't have as much activity here compared to WP, so it's actually feasible) anyway, so they shouldn't need a notification to let them know they were replied to. If it's urgent enough, someone will tell them they've been replied to. Echo is useful on Wikipedia because you can't comb through every edit in RC looking for stuff you're involved in (even with the nice filter system they have going); here, you honestly should be combing RC. Edit count milestones, additionally, are something we discourage in general - if they aren't already tracking it, then an extension shouldn't tell them to. Also, patrolling is something we tend to keep opaque to regular users - they don't need to know what has or hasn't been seen; if they really want to know they can look at the patrol logs.
- The difficulty of adding it is indeed also part of the case against it - I don't think there's a good place to fit it into the skin, considering the header's already cramped enough, and I also don't know how to fit its design into SWS styling, or if there's even a method to style the notifications.
- I'm... doing okay. Schools are reopening May 27th here, which I'm very much looking forward to because I haven't been able to see my girlfriend at school for four months (we've called, obviously, but it's not the same as in person), and outside of calls I haven't even seen her since we share no classes... My sleep schedule has finally broken down after eleven years of mostly diligently maintaining it, so I'm never fully awake anymore, though I have more time to do what I like now... I'm pretty sure my grades are slipping partly because online classes allow a lot more for distraction, but also because online classes generally aren't effective enough... However, on the brighter side, I've had more time to work on things so I'm auditing a Harvard course (search "Harvard CS50"), teaching a Python class, and learning how to do video editing, and more... Yeah I think overall the only good thing this has brought me is time.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)- Regarding the Echo extension:
- About it being a distraction from editing and how users should look at Recent Changes: Yeah, I pretty much agree. In my previous message, I was especially worried about newer Wikians (they might not know what a "Recent Changes" is), but on second thought I don't think that's enough justification to add a whole new extension. Also, there's always a learning curve with everything anyone takes part in, and checking Recent Changes to see if someone's replied to you is one of those things.
- About edit count milestones and patrolling: Yeah, I agree; that was just me listing things that the Echo extension does (at least on Wikipedia).
- About the difficulty of adding it in: Yes, that's a big part of it.
- Overall, I think you've convinced me that the cons heavily outweigh the pros. I think perhaps what caused me to ask you about this was the language you used ("social network"); which, of course, was the first thing you addressed in your response. (Side note: I think saying we don't have "as much" activity as Wikipedia is a major understatement, although I'm sure you know that. )
- Regarding the Echo extension:
- Regarding life under COVID-19:
- Yeah, it really is a win-lose situation; of course, mostly lose, because of the nature of the virus. However, there are some good things that have resulted from being in quarantine (such as time, as you mentioned).
- May 27th seemed early for my brain (I say "early for my brain" because I didn't want to say "early for me"; that would imply that I think that all countries are the same with regard to their COVID-19 status, which obviously isn't true) when I first read your response earlier today. Where I live (somewhere in the U.S. ), we are almost definitely (you can never be 100% sure about anything!) not going to school for at least the rest of the academic year.
- I'm glad that you'll be able to see the people who are important to you (like your girlfriend) very soon. I hope I'll be able to see the people who are important to me very soon as well, but not quite as soon (although I don't know when you went into quarantine; likely earlier than where I live).
- Have a nice day, and thanks for posting such a comprehensive reply! I really appreciate it.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)- Schools closed at the end of January, so reopening end of May is less early than you might think. Also, let me clarify that there isn't much legislative lockdown here - there aren't any stay-at-home orders or anything, so I can go out of the house if I want, the only action on the government's part was to close schools and borders. No, the pressure to stay at home is social - we were the city that survived SARS, and now SARS 2 is striking the globe, so people here are terrified because they know exactly how bad SARS was, so everyone's staying home not for fear of being arrested, but out of paranoia.
- Thanks for asking. I think I needed someone to share the situation with anew.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)- Good to know. It's very interesting to learn about how different governments/countries/provinces/states/cities have handled this situation. Thanks for telling me about it!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)- I'm glad the people in Hong Kong have some common sense, the people here go outside in spite of the repeated stay at home orders
Daring Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 09:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm glad the people in Hong Kong have some common sense, the people here go outside in spite of the repeated stay at home orders
- Good to know. It's very interesting to learn about how different governments/countries/provinces/states/cities have handled this situation. Thanks for telling me about it!
- Have a nice day, and thanks for posting such a comprehensive reply! I really appreciate it.
Drunken Sailor, I think we shouldn't do a general classification for the people; because in everywhere, when some people try to follow the quarantine rules, some people don't do that. Also, the rules are changing in every country.
As a note, I think the topic's title could be another title. (edited)
ahmetlii Talk Contributions Directory 12:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- It shouldn't change because it was originally about Echo, the topic just changed because the original got resolved. 14:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Reply-link.js
Salutations,
Could you help me with something, i am trying to make a reply-link javascript file, kind of the same as Enterprisey's reply-link
I cant think how to change it so it works here,
many thanks,
JJBullet (Talk ★ Contributions ★ 1,213 edits) 14:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)