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Community Portal Archives

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Threads that need "long time and hard work" will not be archived, but moved to Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/not done. Actually you can read and continue following threads there:

• S:CPND#Lack of curiosity at Scratch Wiki?
• S:CPND#WikiEditor Extension
• S:CPND#Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?
• S:CPND#We need your help: Apply for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach"
• S:CPND#Why is Interwiki not possible in the english community-portal?
• S:CPND#DACH-Scratch-Wiki-Frontpage-Features

To make sure that your thread will not be archive put the template  Not done at the top.

Don't forget to replace it with the  Done template when the thread is finally finished.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  17:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

This is now  Done - I am superseding it with the new topic at the top.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Well done :-)
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  16:03, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday?

 Done

The really good idea about Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive_74#Compliment_Tuesday was also introduced and continued until today in the DACH-Scratch-Wiki as de:Scratch-Wiki:Lobtag (see a google-translated version: here ). Wouldn't it be good to have it also here in the english scratch wiki again?
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's a great idea! I just joined in on the German side. ;) This should definitely be revived. How about we start this coming Tuesday?

We will need a system, though. Thoughts?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Who wants to start it and care for it? Shouldn't we have a kind of "Compliment Tuesday Manager"
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:48, 19 February 2018 (CET)

I think that the EWs could act as the CT Manager :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:05, 19 February 2018 (CET)

I really like the idea I would be happy to start the program up, as I am becoming more active now because we are finishing finals.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Really? Great! I'd be very happy for you to manage Compliment Tuesday; I'll be here for any admin action you need. I'll get you started by creating Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday; your job will be to moderate what goes on there and post weekly digests on the CP every Tuesday - basically, move all the content to the CP in a new topic and then reset the page to my initial template. Sound good?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:00, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The issue with compliment Tuesdays is that, if I assume that it will not be too active, many people will be hurt than complimented. Notice that in [1] there were MANY compliments. Also notice that in [2] there was someone that initiated many comments, so there must be someone who does this similar role for compliment tuesday to be effective. Since admins/EWs know the most people they should be the ones that does this role.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

It might not be active for the first few tuesdays, but it may get more attention as the first few CTs pass. Also the people who are not complemented will eventually get complemented (I'll make sure of that :)) we can also put a little note at the bottom saying something along the lines of "If you weren't complemented this tuesday, you are still recognized for all your help on the wiki this week. :)" Finally I am fine with handling and compiling loads of comments, so that will not be a problem.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 23:22, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ We need to notice that the more personal we get to some people the more we can also personally affect others negatively. Expecially since we have relatively young audience members and this is the Internet. I'm a bit uneasy with the idea because I think it can actually backfire. The DACH wiki, I'm assuming, has a relatively older editing community, so we will see. Otherwise this is not a bad idea and may help support community rapport. Thank you Jakel181.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmm... Good point. We'll see what the reaction is to it in the next few CTs if it is a good reaction then we will keep it going, if it is a bad reaction then we will stop. But Thanks though! P.S. Should this be marked as  Done now?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 00:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion: Allow user CSS and JS

I know that user CSS and JS were disabled on the grounds that it would be harder to solve problems if everyone's view of the site looked different... but thing is, userscripts can do the same thing - so what's the harm in enabling a built-in way to customize your view instead of having everyone depend on a browser extension?

As always, feel free to discuss.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what you mean but JS enabled for users sounds like a huge security issue. If people decide to use a userscript - okay, they do it in their browser and it doesn't affect anyone else. However, if someone programmed some malicious JS directly on the Wiki, that doesn't sound good :( -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

No, no! User JS is only enabled for the user that makes it - e.g. User:Keny2scratch/common.js is only loaded for me, and nobody else can edit it (except admins). Likewise for user CSS.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

agree,+1 For Ken. --
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 08:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Allowing CSS/JS would allow more powerful userscripts that cause an incentive for more userpages to heavily customize their pages, potentially causing them to be annoying to other users. I hope I'm interpreting this question right.

What are you planning on using JS for?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I personally was going to move my userscripts to user JS instead, and maybe experiment around a little more.

However, I think that you're incorrect when you say this would cause an incentive to use it. Enabling it does not mean that it is advertised or encouraged - if you recall custom signatures are discouraged but what do you know, people use it anyway. Enabling user JS does not mean promoting it - it simply means easier customization, for yourself and yourself only.

You also seem to think that the JS would be loaded for all users - but no, if you heavily customized your user page with JS/CSS, it would only be customized for yourself, not for anyone else.

Hope that clears things up!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Is this the only use for enabling JS? If so, I don't support because there is no immediate need for it.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I really like this idea, especially the user CSS.
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 16:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

 Enabled! I use HotCat - code at user:Apple502j/common.js from WMC
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 14:14, 27 May 2018 (UTC) no capital
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 14:17, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Some things...

 Done

Why is Recent Changes visible when not logged in?

Should the second word be capitalized for Recent "changes" and Random "page"?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:50, 17 February 2018 (CET)

What is this CET in the signature? Why is Edit Summary not able to be written when starting to post on the CP?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:53, 17 February 2018 (CET)

Why does the OP come in one font and replies in another?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:54, 17 February 2018 (CET)

I think CET is the timezone, although it used to be UTC...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:57, 17 February 2018 (CET)

Why is the font in the news section one font and the rest of the front page another font?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 18:13, 17 February 2018 (CET)

It appears that indented text has a different font than non-indented text.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:37, 17 February 2018 (CET)

That doesn't only go for indented text on talk pages, but any indented text; that's why the news items use that font.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:39, 17 February 2018 (CET)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Customhacker 1st post: Recent Changes were always visible when not logged in, what are you talking about? Also the recent changes are normally not capitalized; in fact, the system message dictates what that text says, and it's not capitalized by default.

Customhacker 2nd post: CET is the timezone that the new server is in; it used to be UTC because it was in the US. I think CET and UTC have no actual difference besides name. Also, what do you mean the edit summary isn't available? I have it just fine...

Customhacker 3rd post: Argh, the font for <dl> elements is the same as the footer font; I didn't realize indenting used dls.

Customhacker 4th post: Same reason as 3rd.

I'll fix the skin soon.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:46, 18 February 2018 (CET)

Wait, I don't see any different font? [3]
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:02, 18 February 2018 (CET)

Actually, there is a difference between the Time Zones. UTC is the time standard for the world, and is basically GMT but without Daylight Saving Time. CET is Central European Time, which is UTC+1. It is used in countries like France and Germany, which is why, as it is hosted in Germany by MtWoll, CET is the Time Zone used by the Wiki.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 12:38, 18 February 2018 (CET)

@Kenny2scratch Maybe it only shows for certain browsers? I see a different font for any indented text.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:23, 18 February 2018 (CET)

Actually, I'm not sure if there's a font change in bold text.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:26, 18 February 2018 (CET)

By the way, GMT does not involve daylight saving time (that's stuff like BST). The time in UTC and the time in GMT is the same. UTC is technically not a timezone; instead, it's a time scale designed to approximate GMT[4] independent of the Earth.
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 01:11, 19 February 2018 (CET)

@Bigpuppy, could you "inspect" the indented text and look at the computed styles of the dd to see what its "font-family" is? Thanks
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:15, 19 February 2018 (CET)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘It says multiple names of fonts, is it supposed to? (I might not have found the right thing though?)
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:45, 20 February 2018 (CET)

What it's supposed to say is "Helvetica Neue", "Helvetica", Arial, sans-serif. Is that what you're seeing? (actually, screenshot that panel for me?)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:26, 20 February 2018 (CET)

Well, that's what I'm seeing.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:09, 20 February 2018 (CET)

Hmm, it looks like it's specifically Helvetica Neue that's acting weird on some devices: [5]. I guess a switch of font might do the trick; but I'm hesitant to do that because it would further distance us from the main site's style :/
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:29, 21 February 2018 (CET)

Actually, when I use the vector skin, I don't see a different font. Are you using the vector skin?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:03, 22 February 2018 (CET)

No, I'm using the new SWS. Could you look at the "computed styles" pane again and scroll to the bottom? It'll tell you there what font is being rendered. So could you please see what font is being rendered for <p> elements and <dd> elements?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:42, 4 March 2018 (CET)

Section_Transclusion AddOn

I would like to have:

• https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion

It has many advantages, specially it would be helpfull for #A little reorganization of old topics:

• you could put every SWPdata in a section of an article at the same page (that could have the name of the year) and reference it by transcluding only that section. The sections could have the Numbers of the SWP's so you could have a SWPbox just by using the project-number like {{basepage/SWP-2018#033}} (that would give you the SWPbox of the SWP number 33 of the year 2018). Am I right? What do you think?
   MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  18:50, 24 February 2018 (CET)

shouldn't it be "{{#lst:page|section}}
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 23:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I think that that's a little too much. I like your previous idea of something similar to the Test wiki's "Translate" template! That seems a lot more concise, in my opinion.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:50, 25 February 2018 (CET)

Independent of the decision if we use Labeled_Section_Transclusion for SWPs, I would like to have it at all scratch wikis, because it expandes the possibility of template design very much and makes it easier and also more readable: You can use it to have a very readable and enlargable case structure in complex sub templates. It‘s also stable and used in many established Mediawiki projects (see https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Extension:LabeledSectionTransclusion ). Espesiallly it is enabled on all Wikimedia wikis, naturally including Wikipedia (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version ).
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:03, 27 February 2018 (CET)

Wikipedia uses it for the same reason that they use Scribunto - they actually have a need for it. Can you show me some templates that would benefit from this extension? But I would think that this would be better for transcluding sections of mainspace pages, not templates, since templates don't involve sections. Why do we actually need this extension?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:16, 28 February 2018 (CET)

I tested it here: de:Benutzer:Mtwoll/s1 perhaps the advantages are more understandable when having a look.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  17:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I see how it works, but I don't really understand why we need it... is there something we could use this for here?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Naturally we would need it for the SWP-design I sugested: Only with that method you could have all SWP-data of a year at one page and so could profit from better overview e.g. for incresing SWP-number and easier creation of new SWPs by just copy&paste+change an existing section. Further on you could separate conditional branches of complex templates, e.g. if a template produces different content, you could easy separate this content in sections, to make it easier to be understood and mantained. It keeps order for small Mediawiki-snipets that belong together, and that without had to be separate unoverviewable pages or had to be unreadabley integrated within the calling template.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ For presenting different content depending on a parameter, you can use a switch statement:

{{#switch:{{{theparameter}}}
|option1=
content for option 1...
|option2=
content for option 2...
|option3=
content for option 3...
}}

I don't see how an increasing SWP number would help? There's no way to keep track of the number automatically, even using this extension.

Out of curiosity, what does Wikipedia use it for?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Switch statement: Exactly! And so you could have all options orderd at one page, so someone who don't want to get into the complex bracket structure of the template can have a look at it and mantain it.

{{#switch:{{{theparameter}}}
|option1=
{{#lsth:optionpage|option1}}
|option2=
{{#lsth:optionpage|option2}}
|option3=
{{#lsth:optionpage|option3}}
}}

SWP-Numbers: If you had all SWP-data in one article and just add a section for each new project you only have to copy the last section, change the data and increase the Project-number by one. If not you have to find the last number somehow somewhere, and ask yourself how and where to write the your projectdata...I‘m wondering if the SWP-idea will get sucessfull by that way...by having a page for each year with all projectdata it seems more likely to me, that people will adopt it...I‘m aware of that this is in opopsite of my first suggestion, to have a „projectmainpage“ for each projet (normally it‘s discussionpage) with the SWP-data at it‘s head to be transcluded...it‘s more „back to the roots“ of bigpuppys original idea in #New page idea: Scratch Wiki:Community Projects ....
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

A Reform Package

I've been mulling over some new ideas for the Wiki, and proposing them to Kenny2Scratch to see what he thinks about them. He seems to have forgotten about them already :P, so it seemed like a good time to speak to the community. Here are a few of the ideas which I thought of as reforms.

1.) Wikian Level's I, II, III, IV. These would be earned through daily activity. Level I would be earned after fifteen days in which you make at least one mainspace edit. Level II would be earned after thirty days, Level III after 60 days and Level IV after 120 days. This would promote daily activity and involvement in the community. Your rank would be displayed in your signature. Inevitably we will be asked "But what if I miss one day." Well an appeals process will be set up and you can apply to have a specific edit count for two or three days of credit. If you created a new page on your own, added a major component to another, or turned a stub into a real page, then those may be eligible for this. Overall the program looks to increase the quality and frequency of logins as a way to have more engagement in the community. This program does not force there to be a higher quantity of edits, because clogging up the RC one day does not help your chances of gaining these merit ranks. We could also set up protection levels around the different ranks as a way to incentivize this program. For example, maybe you could only begin to edit the help pages after you have reached Wikian Level II.

2.) https://scratch.mit.edu/tips. I do not see the Wiki anywhere on the Tips page. We should encourage the Scratch Team to add a link + icon to the 9th empty tutorial box as a way to fill the space and promote the many tutorials which are present on the wiki.

3.) Suggestions with Connections. This idea may seem to be the most far-fetched but it is certainly another way to build a connection to the community. It would involve the creation of a new "Opinion" space which would house different opinion pieces written by members on the Scratch community. These would need to be high-quality suggestions which prove (sort of like a professional OP-ED) an interesting point. We would have a new stickied forum in the Suggestions page encouraging users to submit different articles. This would encourage high-quality writers to join the wiki after there opinion piece has been accepted. We would display these opinion pieces at the bottom of the front page (it would select five at random each time the page is refreshed).

These ideas overall increase the connection between the community and the wiki and encourage participants to come back time and time again to improve our community. I look forward to the discussion generated by these ideas.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:22, 3 March 2018 (CET)

1) Sounds complicated but could work. Not sure if I would support that.

2) Good Idea! We should try that!

3) Sounds even more complicated ;)

 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:53, 3 March 2018 (CET)

What convincing evidence is necessary?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:18, 3 March 2018 (CET)

I think only doing it could proove that it works. To start, there shoud be more likes of others and somebody who can and wants to do the work ;-) Also the (1) seems intersect with #"extended confirmed" usergroup. Perhaps we should concentrate on (2)? BTW: As one of the translators for german language, I realized that we can make links to wiki-pages in the process of translating even if there are noe in the original, but that's not official and doesn't help for the english original. Separate Threat for (2)?
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't support 1) because a help page was the first page I edited back then. That people trusted me really encouraged me and gave me self confidence. Who knows. If I wouldn't have been able to edit the page, maybe I wouldn't be here today? Anyway, maybe two-layer system that isn't so strict (you have to log in every day or so - that just isn't possible for some people) would work. Quite like New Scratchers and Scratchers. For 2) Good idea! It was in the old help page. I think at "Questions" it would make sense to add the Wiki! 3) I am not sure if I understand - Opinion pieces about what exactly? Finally: Hey, thanks for thinking about all these things and bringing them up! -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:02, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Bug with [wiki] in forums

It doesn't go well if the page name has colon such as Community Portal or ja:Main Page. I think it's due to the redirecting from old wiki to new one.

What should we do? I have two ideas now.

1. Let ST change the [wiki] tag's code
2. Make an extension/script to decode %3A and redirect correctly in the search page

Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 06:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, I would beileve that you could make an extenstion to decode it.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

The ST is planning to update the [wiki] links and footer wiki links sometime soon (though we didn't get an exact ETA), so I'd say just leave it for now.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Script to fix (tampermonkey).
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 03:46, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 11:54, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

TEMPORARY fixed. Ken merged my colon checker code to SWS.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 05:28, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, so this can be counted as...  Partially done?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

New SDS

New SDS but news is not updated
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 08:52, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

New pop-up

This past week I have noticed a new message at the bottom of the edit page. This is what is says: "Please note that all contributions to Scratch Wiki are considered to be released under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here. You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission! " Does anyone have any information about this? Thanks!
PrincessFlowerTV (talk | contribs) 14:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Its license changed from PD to CC BY-SA, because Mtwoll decided that in order to use Scratch's things under CC BY-SA.

According to the license, fair use might be allowed in USA, but not here. (It's no longer in USA!)
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 21:21, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Question

Though wiki.scratch.mit.edu redirects to this domain, there is not a page saying that you are leaving the Scratch website, as we promised. Should we make index.html say that, with SWS?

<offtopic> Bliddy eck, this formatting highlighting is confusing, how do you disable it? </offtopic>

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

15:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

<offtopic>press the colourful wheely button thing I think.</offtopic>
нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlк║cσηтяιвs║ρяσғιlε) 22:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

<offtopic>yes, the colorful wheel thing next to "advanced", I pointed it out in the topic about it.</offtopic>

We were not exactly promised that there would be such a page - we were informed as such because wiki.scratch.mit.edu was originally going to redirect to scratch-wiki.info, which would have such a warning on it - but as of a week or two ago, the ST were allowed to directly redirect it without having to have such a warning. I guess there was a change of heart at MIT.

TL, DR: we don't need the warning because MIT doesn't require it.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:00, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

How do you upload a file?

I want to load an image into my user page, but I don't know how to upload an image! Could you help me?

Thanks in advance!

Mrbumppo (talk | contribs) 20:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC) Mrbumppo

It looks like you figured it out.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 10:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Template for questionable content?

I want to make a template for Questionable content, Template:Questionable. The create page says that I should get approval before doing so, so please reply if you approve or disapprove.

Mrbumppo (talk | contribs) 23:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC) mrbumppo

First off, thanks for reading the warning on the creation page! Surprisingly few people read everything before acting.

As to the question: could you make a mockup of what you're proposing? Maybe in your sandbox? That'll give us a better idea of what you want to make.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion

We should update Featured Images. That's all.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

You got any ideas for what images to put in there?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Naw.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

06:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 10:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

No it's not????

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

15:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, right. I'm stupid ._.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

15:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Not done topic archived

Hello, one of my  Not done topics were archived. Can i get it back?

asqwde talk | contribs 16:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

If a topic is archived but you still have more to say, you are welcome to repost it. Just copy-paste all of the existing discussion from the archive and put it here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Which topic in particular?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Indenting mistake?
нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlк║cσηтяιвs║ρяσғιlε) 00:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

No, that was deliberate - it indicates I'm also replying to asqwde rather than replying to jvvg.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:32, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

this one

asqwde talk | contribs 14:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, I didn't reply because your last reply didn't make sense - what is "change the unage with the studio for 2017 thrn it is the same one"?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:57, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for my spelling. You said not to give the link of the studio so there is one image in 2017 that gives the link of the studio so could you change that please. Understood?

asqwde talk | contribs 15:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Why did you indent the header?
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 22:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

More articles?

Does somebody have an idea for an article I could write?
Mrbumppo (talk | contribs) 12:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

about 3.0?
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 13:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 23:04, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Updating featured article

Could a admin update the featured article please?

asqwde talk | contribs 14:43, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, could soomone please change to Featured Article to Creative Commons License? Thanks,
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 22:27, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

When uploading images, try to keep them low(er) resolution

So as you may have been able to tell by the recent changes, I've had quite a row with MediaWiki's image processing. The root cause of the problem was that the most recent version before I messed with it was too high resolution for MediaWiki to handle. The image was about 2700x1920 - waaaaay more than necessary.

In the future, when considering good things about an image, the practical order should be thus:

1. Is the image's height over 768 pixels? If so, resize it down to at most 768px high, while keeping the aspect ratio. (Exceptions generally should only be made when the image is incredibly narrow - like 100px wide by 1920px high should be okay.) If you're thinking of objecting "but high quality is better!" consider that 768 pixels high for any 16:9 image is quite high-res enough.
2. Is the image's filesize over 300-400KB? If so, please compress it. I recommend https://tinypng.com for PNGs and JPEGs (yes, it does JPEGs, contrary to its name).
3. Now that you've got the resolution and filesize down, go ahead and make it as high-quality within those limits.

Thanks.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Please Add It To MediaWiki:Uploadtext!
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 02:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

This should also be added to Scratch Wiki:Editing Conventions.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:50, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Disord Chat?

Is the Scratch Wiki Discord chat actually on discord?
KJRYoshi07 (talk | contribs) 05:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes. (But CGs apply here, too - so I cannot invite you in the Scratch/Scratch Wiki)
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 05:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Indeed.  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Any new wikians?

Is there a way to see new wikians that recently applied?
Botcho (Botcho_Otkho) - Talk - Contribs - Profile 16:09, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

AFAIK, recent changes. I don't know for just that list.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Special:Log/newusers will show you all new users.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Botcho (Botcho_Otkho) - Talk - Contribs - Profile 18:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 10:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Major changes to WikiMonitor

Today, I retooled WikiMonitor in order to make the code a lot more readable and manageable. As part of this, I very much retooled the unsigned post algorithm, and tested it on a battery of revisions that I took from my talk page where people said they were notified incorrectly.

Currently, the excessive edit detection and unsigned post detection are up and running. Categorization detection is not currently available, but I hope to have that soon.

If you notice any mistakes, please tell me on my talk page. If there are serious problems (i.e. a lot of incorrect notifications going around and causing a disruption), then please shut it off (and also tell me on my talk page). Since this is an entirely new codebase, as long as you can point to actual problems and you aren't obviously vandalizing, I won't get mad at you for turning off WM for what I would otherwise consider minor.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:31, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Category checking and sandbox clearing have also been implemented. One of the bugs that was happening occasionally earlier was that if a page/file was moved after being uploaded, WM would look at the original and not see a category. Now it looks through the move log and follows it to its new location. Once again, please let me know of any issues that may arise.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Cool!

asqwde talk | contribs 12:19, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Sure!
Botcho (Botcho_Otkho) - Talk - Contribs - Profile 15:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

We passed 200K edits!

We have now made 340,083 edits on this wiki - over 200,000! As far as I can tell, this was the 200,000^th edit. Celebrate!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:47, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Yay!

asqwde talk | contribs 11:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Nice!
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 20:09, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Awesome!
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 04:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

A page called user:PuddleCat

The section just below my name redirects me to a page called User:PuddleCat. Can I write about myself there, or is this page for something else?
PuddleCat (talk | contribs) 16:05, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, this is your page, and you can create it, change it and do whatever you want with it. Same with your talk page.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:53, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 23:03, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I will be less active this summer

I know I was supposed to psuedo-retire and then didn't. The status right now is that I'm still around, though less active than I used to be. However, this summer it turns out I will be fairly busy, so I probably won't be around as much as I usually am. I can't say right now how active I will be after the summer is over and I'm back in school, but we have plenty of other people you can contact if you need help.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Let me just bring up the same question when you were "retiring": who will operate WikiMonitor?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:44, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I will still be around some, just not quite as much as before, so at least for now, I will continue to operate WikiMonitor.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:15, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Cool.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Robot

Do you think it's Yanny or Laurel? Sorry if off-topic things aren't allowed here, then you may delete this.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 19:24, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I am going to recommend that you stay on topic.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Please keep discussions wiki-related, and have the discussion header related to the content. Neither is true in your post, so refrain posting similar content.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate:Defaults Library

This is duplicate of Libraries, and I put {{notUseful}}, posted to the talk and creator(Turkey3, great bureaucrat)'s talk. But it seems ignored by many people, because there are only 2 replies at the talk, and Turkey3 doesn't answer.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 23:18, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Is Template:NotUseful supposed to be notUseful, or NotUseful?

The guideline Ken made says "Never capitalize the name of the template, except when subsequent words are also capitalized in the name". Then is {{NotUseful}} supposed to be notUseful, or NotUseful? Ken used both at ScratchBB and Defaults Library.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 23:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Good question, I would say NotUseful.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:55, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Did I use "notUseful"? I meant "NotUseful". To clarify, that rule means that if there are any other capitalized letters in the name, the first letter should also be capitalized; otherwise, it should be lowercase.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:21, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

here
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 04:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

anyway  Done
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 04:32, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Cool.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 06:38, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Ideas

I have no ideas on what do on Scratch Wiki does anyone have any ideas??
DisneyNerd27 (talk | contribs) 23:28, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong article

Hi. So I asked Jvvg to delete one of my posts that I didn't finish and he deleted the wrong one. Is there a way someone can fix that???
DisneyNerd27 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Can you specify where this post was?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

It was called How To Start And Use A Shop And It Was An Article I wrote And I Hit The Save Changes Button Before I Was Done And Now He Deleted The One I Did Finish
DisneyNerd27 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

You created a duplicate article. The one with So Many Caps was deleted as a duplicate of the one with less caps; the one with less caps is likely going to be deleted too, since all of its content should be in Shop. Remember, before you think of making a page, try searching it up to see if any pages already cover it.

Don't let this get you down, though! I remember making the same mistake, when I first joined - I made an article called "Complete List of Rejected Suggestions", but it got deleted as a duplicate of Frequently Rejected Suggestions, which it indeed was.

I'd recommend you take the current stuff on How to Start and Use a Shop and put it in a relevant section in Shop. If you want, I can also give you the deleted contents of "How To Start And Use A Shop" (tell me if you do want that), and you can merge that into Shop as well. Sound good?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Could you do that??? And could you possibly delete the other one. Like I said it was an accident my hand hit the button before I was done. Do you have any tips for me?? Also it just looks like there is an article for everything so I don't know what to do :(
DisneyNerd27 (talk | contribs) 15:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I have explained before the situation, but let me reiterate it one more time (and publicly on the Wiki so that others can see it). The page at your original title was moved to the current title (How to Start and Use a Shop) to meet capitalization standards. You re-created it at the original title since, as you say, you were editing it at the time we moved it so it was re-created. The way this should be resolved is by making all further edits to the current title and not re-creating anything at the old title. If you wish to submit content to improve the article, please do so at the new title, not the original title. This way we can make sure that the article meets capitalization standards.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Creation Protect

for How To Start And Use A Shop.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 08:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary unless it's being spam created.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Navigation

How do you get a navigation box on your wiki user page?
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 17:21, 22 May 2018 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

You get it once you have over 5 topics or it goes off the screen
DisneyNerd27 (talk | contribs) 01:42, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I think the threshold is 3 sections, not 5 topics, but yeah.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm new to the wiki. Is a topic/section, also known as a page or is it something else and wehn you get 3 sections, how do you add the navigation box?
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

On a normal page, the headings (marked by == Heading ==) are called "sections"; on a talk page (like this one), they are called "topics" instead; a page with a title like "Root Page/Another Page" is called a "subpage". When a page has three topics/sections, the table of contents should appear automatically. Subpages don't contribute to the table of contents.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:30, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

user page

How do you edit your user page?
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 17:21, 22 May 2018 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

Just click your pen when your on your user page and click edit :)
DisneyNerd27 (talk | contribs) 18:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs)

Should we have a speedy delete template?

I think we should have a speedy delete template, since many places, including Wikipedia, have it. Otherwise, we should change change the {{NotUseful}} template to {{delete}} and {{delete}} to {{speedy delete}}? It would make things easier for new wikians, who might think {{NotUseful}} is {{delete}}.
KJRYoshi07 (talk | contribs) 11:00, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

{{delete}} is our "speedy delete". I actually suggested this a while ago, and it was agreed that it wouldn't be worth the trouble changing everything. A tip for future use is when suggesting things, say why rather than why not. "Couldn't we change {{NotUseful}} to {{delete}} and {{delete}} to {{speedy delete}}" isn't a valid reason - tell us why we should, not why couldn't we change it.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I changed the original post that I had to add what you said that I should add.
KJRYoshi07 (BlueStarPort) (My Talk) (Contribs) 07:29, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Hm, I don't see how it would make things easier for New Wikians. We state very clearly that we're not Wikipedia; people shouldn't expect that we are. I find it difficult to believe that people would think {{NotUseful}} is {{delete}}, since the names are so different. I also think that it is Wikipedia's customs that would confuse people - when I first joined Wikipedia (hint: after I joined this wiki), I thought the "delete" template was the same as our delete template, but then I couldn't find a corresponding "not useful" template; it was only later that I realized "speedy delete" says that a page needs to be deleted immediately.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Servers Down!

Now, I really didn't want to post this on the CP, but I had to. The Scratch Forums are down! I obviously couldn't report it there because it's down. Now, is anyone else experiencing these problems?
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 02:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

It's not down for me...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

OK. It came back up for me today. I have no idea what happened.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 17:41, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Glad it works.

asqwde talk | contribs 15:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

WW article is not updated again and again and again...

Update Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Article please
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 09:22, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:15, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Files

How do you upload files? Sorry if this is a waste of your time.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 19:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Go to Special:Upload and follow the instructions on the page. Oh, and don't forget a category! ;)
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 22:07, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 11:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

No problem! :D
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 12:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:10, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Chrome Spellcheck

So Chrome no longer spellchecks whatever I edit and type anymore... Not sure if this was already brought up in the CP but it is bothering me a lot. Why can't we have both Chrome spellcheck and the menubar?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I've had the same problem but, off and on (It's not working now) What is your OS? My browser / operating system: ChromeOS 10176.76.0, Chrome 64.0.3282.190, Flash 28.0 (release 0) (Just used the globe button in the scratch fourms to find this info :P)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 00:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

With CodeMirror installed, the edit box no longer counts as a text box, so Chrome doesn't spellcheck it. If you want to check your spelling, you can either turn it off or copy-paste the text into a plaintext box with spellchecking before saving.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

No References Template

I have been thinking of a template, to be used when an article has no references in it. It might look, something like this:

This article has no references

This article has quotes, or other information, but does not reference it. The information may be incorrect, outdated, or even dangerous.

mrbumppo - | Contribs | Talk 13:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

{{inaccurate}} Already exists.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 13:42, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

^^  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Code

Does the Scratch Wiki use BBCode, Java, HTML5, or something else?
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)

It uses a modified version of HTML, similar to the Scratch forums. For help, I recommend you see Help:HTML.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 18:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! My friend was considering making a Wiki Account and wanted to know what type of code is used.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 19:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

For Editors

Anyone else notice on the left side of the screen that there is a new section called "For Editors"? It only shows when you sign in, I think.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 19:37, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

It's always shown, even for logged-out people.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 13:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I added it, out of frustration at having to type "action=purge", and to make S:CPND more accessible.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 14:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

up Help:Purging_an_Article

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Yay, 127KB!

It should be archived now!
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 09:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)