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Community Portal Archives

Upcoming announcements

May 6: Scratch Day @ MIT. Should the event on the front page news go live early?

May 15: 10th anniversary of Scratch's release. Also, should it be announced early? Or perhaps have a special banner on the homepage?

Also, the Scratch Timeline apparently hasn't been updated in a while, and i haven't been following Scratch updates.

I probably won't be checking back here, but please discuss and come to consensus in the way the wiki always has. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

btw, May 9 was scratch 2.0 release. idk if that's relevance.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:48, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

New template

Unlike other templates I've made, I want to confirm here that this idea I have is viable. I want to make Template:Kp as another way to call Template:Key press, since the latter is very long and annoying if you want to do multiple instances together (like in Windows Alt codes). May I proceed?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:09, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Anyone?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:27, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the supertastic late reply; I'm getting active in the wiki again. Go ahead! You'll probably just need to a redirect, like with Template:S.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 Ok, thanks.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:51, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Emoji Templates

Can I please make some templates for the new emojis on the main site?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 16:42, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Yep, go ahead! Message me when that happens so that I can link them into Template:S.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

There are some that start with a colon, so what should I call those?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 16:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Call them by their normal name. Only emoji with = cause trouble for Mediawiki, and you'll have to use your judgement then.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:02, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

New SDS

 Done

Studio Spotlight
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 20:47, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I took care of it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

New SDS

There is a new sds
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done by jvvg.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Live Editing Tool

Does anyone know of an ST approved document creator where you can see the revisions that other's are making?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I really have no idea what you're talking about. Could you explain a little more what this is?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:24, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday

Hello everyone! Wiki Wednesday has come around again! For those new to this, the Scratch Wiki gets a chance to feature an article on the Scratch website. We do this alongside many other language wikis.

So, put your hats in the ring! What do you think should be suggested for Wiki Wednesday? Make sure it is well written. Images are a bonus.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:43, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Maybe Rotation Style?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:13, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

How about Semicolon Glitch? That documents it pretty well, in my opinion.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:01, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Any confirmation?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Yep! Semicolon Glitch has been picked. It has a variety of information, and seems interesting.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Hurray!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

EW Election Announcement

Hi everyone! With some of the EW and admins slowly becoming inactive, there have been murmurs of electing new EW. I am here to confirm that we are indeed electing two new EW.

The election rules and timeline can be viewed here: Scratch Wiki:Elections/June 2017
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

In this election, we are looking for people who intend to lead the project going forward, as I plan to leave in a few months. If you nominate yourself, be prepared to be one of the main leaders going forward. See the thread below for more about this, and as always, please ask if you have any questions.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

To be completely clear, this means that you should be willing to dedicate your time to learn how to run the Wiki and do the many great things Jvvg does for us, along with commit to remain active on the Wiki for hopefully a long time. Please do not nominate yourself if you just want to "lead the Wiki" for a bit then become inactive. While of course you will have the rest of the EWs and admins to help you, take a moment to think about just how active Jvvg is on the Wiki. This is important, and we look forward to meeting and discussing with whoever is voted!

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  00:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Is their a page with a list of responsibilities that I could look to see if I can run? Sort of everything you would need to do as an EW?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:11, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

A list of technical privileges is available at Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians. I will put together a more comprehensive list soon.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:32, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

For speeches, are we talking, or just writing 8 lines worth of words?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 01:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@makethebrainhappy: I made something in my sandbox that describes the basic idea of what an EW is. @customhacker: We're doing the 8 line thing.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:52, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘For EW, will there me like Skype calls that we have to attend once a week or something?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 21:35, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Haha, no. There aren't really any mandatory meetings (hardly any voice or face meetings at all) that you will have to attend or anything, but we do have a place where we can chat about Wiki-related things when need be.

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  00:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

To be more specific about what st19 said, we have an ongoing text chat where we discuss Wiki issues among those who happen to be online at any given time, but we don't have any sort of scheduled meetings.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Nominations open in about an hour and a half (midnight UTC, 8PM Scratch Time). However, they will remain open for a week and we do not care how quickly/slowly people nominate themselves, so there is no need to hurry there as soon as they open.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

My time has come

I have been an EW for four years an an admin for three. In addition to that, I felt a sense of responsibility as the chief leader of the project. While I was definitely not the only admin, I was often seen as the face of the Wiki to people not familiar with editors (judging by all the questions I keep getting on my profile) and people often went to me for help. It has been an honor and privilege to lead this project, but I think my time has come to pass the reins to someone else (I will post more specifically about how this applies to the election under that thread). After all, I haven't posted a project since August 2016 and very rarely check the forums, and I will not be very engaged with the website when Scratch 3.0 comes out, and when we have to update the Wiki for that, I want leadership that is familiar with it. Also, I am a college student, and that takes a lot of time. I just don't have enough time for the Wiki, and I want leadership that is available as much as possible.

So, after all that, here's the plan: I am going to stay active for the rest of this summer and maybe a bit into the school year so I can help train the new EWs. At that point, I will probably leave the Wiki and become inactive.

It has been awesome seeing what everybody has contributed and helping out. Let's keep the hard work going!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:13, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

We'll miss you! But with a closing door another surely opens, as I like to say.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 23:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh no! I'm sad to see you go . Thing is, I realized some time ago that I'm a lot more active on the Wiki than you are. While we've both been on here, I think I've learned a goodly chunk of what you know about the Wiki. I wish you luck with the rest of your life, and I hope I can become an EW so that we still have an extremely active one. I will diligently try to learn as much as I can about the Wiki (whether I'm elected or not) and I'm confident that you can help me in that process in the short time you have. Thank you for being here for us for so long, answering questions, patrolling pages, and being such a good admin. I wish you well.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your great contributions. You have really been an inspiration for us all here on the wiki, with your tireless dedication and experience. Good Luck with all of your projects! :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:13, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

On a more practical note, who will run WikiMonitor now? Will you continue to run it but just be inactive, or will you pass control of it to someone else?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure yet. I'll figure that out when the time comes.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Kenny I was going to ask that... At the very least if he wanted me to run it

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:09, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@jvvg, oh and what about the AF pages? @banana, please don't call me Kenny. Ken or my full username is better. I know you didn't know that, which is why I'm telling you now.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I plan to work out the more specific issues once I actually leave, but as of right now I plan to pass the AF pages to another EW/admin.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I know I'm not EW, but may I please have the AF pages?
Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 21:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ It doesn't really matter where the AF pages are. Moving them takes time and effort, but wouldn't net any gain, so why not leave them?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

When you move a page, don't all its subpages move automatically?
Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 16:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Not necessarily, but there's a box you can check that does that.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:21, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Bye Jvvg. Sorry to see you go. :(
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)

New Front Page Curator

Their username is Snowjo88.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 23:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  00:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

New page

Recently on a shop of mine, someone was asking how to make a shop. Would an article about that be necessary on the wiki?
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 00:07, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I believe that such an article exists/is located in the forum as a sticky :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Something like this would go in the article Shop (Project Type) - consider expanding to that.
04:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Stickies as wiki pages

Could stickied guides be turned into wiki pages since they do have the endorsement of the ST?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:28, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

No; see what the Scratch Wiki is not.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:38, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't seem like you understand what my question is.... It's not random forum topics, it's guides.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 10:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

You mean turn every single sticky guide into a Wiki page? Well... what's the point? Let what's in the forums stay in the forums, unless it's about really notable topics.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Do you have a specific example of a sticky you think would make a good article?
15:56, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

This would be a good example here.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:23, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

That kind of stuff should really stay in the forums... Articles are articles, but that guide is a guide. It helps users by addressing them personally and giving them tips, while articles show facts and give specific steps, instead of giving general tips like a guide does. I still think forum topics should remain forum topics.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Block Lag on Chrome

Does anyone else seem to get a good amount of lag around the scratchblocks in Chrome? Edge works fine for me.
18:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I use chrome and I've never gotten any of that! Maybe its just your computer?
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 19:41, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Chrome is the laggiest browser... It has separate .exes open for flash, its gpu, and the program itself. If you want to work efficiently with Scratch, use a fast computer or Firefox. I just use chrome because I like it and the computer I usually work with can support it without lag (yeah, it's too beefy for its own good).
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:33, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I use chrome on a old and laggy computer, and I don't see any problems unless it is an absolutely ridiculously large script.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 22:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Well Scratch itself is always fuzzy for me in Chrome so my Chrome is just screwed up I guess.
22:10, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

When I was alpha testing the Wiki implementation of the block plugin, there were some major lag issues. Can you get a screen recording of the lag issue, and which pages it occurs on?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

It occurs on every page with blocks, and primarily occurs when the blocks are actually on the screen versus farther down or up the page. A recording may be too much of a hassle for me, basically it's just a frame rate drop probably down to about 10FPS when scrolling, of course depending on the size of the scripts and such. When I get a chance I'll test on my other PC with Chrome and see if the issue persists. It may just be I need to update my Chrome, I assumed it had automatic updates but seeing as I'm having issues on the main site also I should look into updating.
03:00, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello!

I'm back!
Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 17:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mitopolis! Welcome back!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Templates Template

I think pages with lots of templates should have a subpage of them, linked to by one template with a link to that page. +1 Support 0 Don't care -1 No support
Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 17:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think I follow what you're saying here.
20:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah... what exactly do you mean?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

When a page has lots of templates, they should go on a subpage of the article, linked to on the article. Edit: The template is at User:Mitopolis/ProposedTemplate Another edit: Look at How do I delete a studio?
Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 19:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I see... I really don't think that's good though. The point of that kind of template is that it's visible immediately by anyone viewing the page. If they have to go through that template, they won't see the stuff like {{stub}} immediately and their first impression of the article will be "this is terrible!" without realizing immediately that the article is a stub. I'm undoing your edit until we come to a consensus about this.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done thing

MatinWollenweber's Not Done topic got archived. Can an EW or admin please fix this?
Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 00:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

True, it specifically said "this will never be done, so don't archive!" At the very least, it should have been moved to Not Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

The topic is back now.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

New FPC

-Pikaboo- will become FPC later today.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:10, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

? It is not monday?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:22, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Nvm. I have no school, so my days are off. Lol. Sorry.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв )

 Done
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

EW Election Question

Once voting has started, or possibly before then, are we allowed to inform wiki users on their profiles (on the main website) that their is an election occurring, without giving them any indication of who to vote for?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Of course. Heck, anything on the main website it out of control anyway, and there's no harm in telling people there's an election.
15:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

IsOnline Article

Does IsOnline's popularity warrant a wiki page? It has almost 1k users. Here's a comment from Jvvg [1] Here's where you can find the user count [2]
Jromagnoli (talk | contribs) 16:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Then shouldn't griffpatch's Scratch Messaging Extension have its own page with nearly 3k users.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Same with Scratch Device Plugin Helper with about 57k users.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not totally sold on it having its own article, but perhaps it could be added to the List of Scratch Modifications list? I understand that it isn't a modification to the Scratch Program, but it is a modification/extension to the site.

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  17:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I also asked jvvg on his Talk Page in the TOC, number 36. He said no the first time.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 18:14, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ According to the latest comment on my profile it now has over 1300 users. We don't actually have a precedent for this kind of thing, but in my opinion we should treat this like a Scratch modification (in which case it would get an article or a section in a larger article). What does everyone else think?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I guess. Or should we wait a bit and start a precedent for 2000 or 1500? Also, you misspelled "treat" jvvg. If we agree, I am starting an article in my Sandbox.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 20:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey... I dont know who is giving you your information, but according to the Chrome Web Store, it has about 900 users: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/isonline/pabjccjpgemijhffgnaamebfbcnalghj
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 20:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The 1300+ number was given to me in a comment on my profile. Anyway, having hard cutoffs for things like this is usually not a good idea since it leads to arguments over minute details (like people going "it only has 990 users but needs 1000 so we can't create an article"). At least for right now, I say we decide as a community on a case-by-case basis for stuff like this to avoid focusing too much on cutoff numbers, since extensions like this are fairly infrequent so far.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:02, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I think for this, it is getting enough to be quite honest though. May I start one?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I think since its popularity before and now warrants at least a section in an article. A full article: I have my doubts (mostly about being able to write a full-length article on it), but maybe. Definitely a section in an existing article at least though.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

The 1300+ number is shown on this page. I don't know why the numbers on the Chrome Web Store and there would be different, though... maybe the webstore counts down when people uninstall it but that page doesn't?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:14, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I see 1416 on there. Anyway, Im going to start the articles for IsOnline and Scratch Messaging Extension.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

As a little note

I've added the fact that this wiki exists in the Wikipedia page about Scratch.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:58, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I suppose I shouldn't worry too much about it since it's minor, and not from our wiki anyway, but I think it could be more prominent then just a small paragraph, but again, doesn't really mean much. Would've never thought to change anything about the Wikipedia page of Scratch.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 02:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I can remedy that if you want, but I just wanted this wiki to be mentioned at least. Or you can remedy it too if you really want to.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

 The page now has an entire section on the Wiki
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

A bot took the part about the wiki out.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

What are AF pages?

So, Jvvg was saying below about passing on AF pages. But what are they? Thanks.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)

The AF pages are versions of pages in this wiki that are adapted for April Fools Day. They are stored under Jvvg's userspace, but since he's leaving at the end of the summer he'll need to give them to someone else.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

By the way, could you please remember to add new talk page sections at the bottom of the page? Thanks.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Right, thanks. And, whoops! Sorry. By the way, I'm using the custom signature you gave me, but it doesn't show a time for some reason...

Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)

Use ~~~~. That'll put your signature and a timestamp. Remember, however, that you need to set (in Special:Preferences) your "custom signature" to <scratchsig>Drunken_Sailor</scratchsig>.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks!
Drunken Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

...*facepalm* Go to your preferences. In the box that says "New signature", type "<scratchsig>Drunken_Sailor</scratchsig>". Click Save. Now, whenever you type ~~~~, it'll be converted into the correct signature with a timestamp, instead of a bugged-out one with a timestamp or a correct one without a timestamp.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ By the way, don't feel bad if you make a mistake; mistakes are how we learn, and your mistakes seem never to be major. I am giving you solutions to problems you have, so you can learn from them.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I've put that into the box about 10 times and saved it but it isn't working... (so I'll just use the bugged out one for now)
Drunken Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Check the treat signature as wikitext thing then it should work
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 20:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Just tried that, but it still isn't working... :/
Drunken Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Look at this: [3]
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Wait, I already did that many times before, but it only worked now... Anyway, thanks!
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 12:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

 No problem!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Change

Can we change the special word on Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor - blizzard is sort of out of season...
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 22:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I suppose this will make it harder to randomly be in there, maybe. It's not a very big deal, but I suppose we could change it.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 23:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

When I joined, the word was "flashlight"... any other ideas?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know...maybe "umbrella?" like a beach umbrella?
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 11:23, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Maybe we could add picking a random word to WikiMonitor's tasks... as in, every week it changes the word. Whaddaya think?

EDIT: Oh wait, the page is protected... nvm...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

We do change the word every few weeks/months, but remember that we need to remember it too, so changing it too frequently will just confuse everybody (this was a problem when somebody changed it once without telling us, which is why S:CONTRIB is now protected). The other issue is that a lot of users, after having their requests rejected, go back and read S:CONTRIB but have to wait a week to submit another request, so if in the intermediate time the word changes, we have to remember what it was before. When choosing words, we try to choose fairly common words (it was once "lambda" but we ended up changing it since it's not a common word) that are unlikely to be included otherwise in the request (like "monkey", "paper", etc.) Anyway, I will talk with the other EWs about changing it, since it has been a while.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

 "Rocket" is the new word
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Weird question

When I try to access Special:ConfirmAccounts it prevents me, of course. However, the message it says is "This action is restricted to users in one of the following groups: Bureaucrats, Experienced Wikians". Shouldn't admins be able to do that too? (I know that all admins are also EWs anyway, but I'm just wondering.)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I suppose that they are going for any and all EWs rather than any specific EWs.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 03:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

No, I mean shouldn't sysops be able to confirm accounts too?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:19, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

All the admins have the experienced wikian user group as well.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 10:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I know that... but shouldn't admins have the right anyway...?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Why is it really needed? They are EWs, and they have all of the rights of EWs. Is there some specific reason why you want this to be done?
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 13:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh oops I didn't see what you said in brackets. The EW usergroup was created basically at the same time as the current account request system was IIRC and one of the main reasons for its creation was to allow trusted users to review account requests, although obviously it has a couple of other permissions as well. For whatever reason, I guess the person who made the group decided to just give it to all the admins instead of just giving them reviewaccounts or whatever it's called. So to answer the question it's not needed, but there's also no reason really to bug the ST about it when it works fine as is.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 14:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ All active admins also are EWs, so changing this would just be cosmetic. At the same time, only the Scratch Team actually has the capability of changing it, and it's not worth bothering them over something fairly obscure and with no functional change.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Just pointing this out and noting my dissatisfaction. This topic is now  Done...?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Current Events

Hey, the page says that both -Pikaboo- and Snowjo88 are the two-hundred-and-fifty-fifth curator! This can't be right...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 10:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

..."gotchu"...?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

got... you.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I know what it means... but... "gotchu"...?...what's with that...?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome message question

I was looking at the part of this template there is a section of data in it called active users. I was wondering when this was added, since I noticed that this wasn't always there, and what exactly qualifies as an active user. The number seems awfully small to me.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 22:00, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure which template you're referring to, but Special:ActiveUsers.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I added the part about active users. But yeah, for what constitutes an "active user", check Special:ActiveUsers. And yes, the number is small. We need more people
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I knew it was a recent addition due to looking at them.

That is a very small amount of people for such a low requirement. Hmm...
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 01:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Yep... It's sad, really. Out of like a thousand people, 70-something are actually active...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I know... We need more people. By the way, is a user classed as active if they made at least 1 edit in the last 30 days?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 10:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

1 action. That includes editing, explodinguploading, moving, deleting, creating, blocking, unblocking, transferring user rights, and any other action on this wiki.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Wow, that's not a lot that you need to do... Yet there is a pitiful amount that actually do it...
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, part of the reason I was so unsure about what classified as active. I think that until it gets a bit higher, we may want to take it out of the welcome message due to it being somewhat uninviting.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 12:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

The Wiki used to be very active in 2013 when everything had to be transitioned to Scratch 2.0. There was also a good amount of activity in 2014 I'd say (also why we needed an election at the time). Then it became a little less active, and so forth.
15:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Any EW age requirements?

I might run for an Experienced Wikian. However, I'm only 12 years old. Are there any age requirements?
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 11:05, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

There are no age requirements on the page for it.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 11:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, didn't know that. Although I guess considering the age demographics on Scratch, if it were larger than 12 or 13, it would lower the amount of candidates.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 12:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

There is no age requirement to run in the election.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 14:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

There is only one restriction on potential nominees:

“	Any person who has been on the Scratch Wiki for longer than one month and has made more than 50 edits to mainspace articles may nominate themselves.	”
– Scratch Wiki:Elections/June 2017

ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:25, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Links

Is there a way to link to a specific section of an article just by using the url? Im trying to link to a part on the forums.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 21:07, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes. If you click the relevant entry in the table of contents, copy the part after the pound sign in the URL and put that after the link. For example, to link to the "Variants of the Word" section in the Scratch article, use [[Scratch#Variants_of_the_Word|Link text]] (which produces Link text).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 21:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

As with all internal links, the underscores are not necessary, you can use spaces. ([[Scratch#Variants of the Word|Link text]]→Link text)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

About Template:Welcome

Would it be a preference if we removed the message and let WikiMonitor do it, or is it better as it is now?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

What's the difference who does it, though?
17:32, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I think that it's really fine either way. It would be easier to keep it as it is though.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 17:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

New FPC

Galleigo will become the FPC later today.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

What timezone is Scratch Time? It's like 4:20 p.m. here and no FPC change yet.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know specifically what timezone it is, but I do know wiki times are based of off GMT+2, and that forum times are from Eastern Daylight Time at the moment. I do not know if it changes for Daylight Savings Time. I do believe that when you posted this, the UK would just be waking up, and USA would be asleep assuming they sleep until 7:00 AM. Sorry if this is an overly convoluted answer, but I am not entirely sure of the details.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 13:28, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I see. Well, we'll just have to wait...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Scratch Time is United States Eastern Time, UTC-4 during DST and UTC-5 not during DST. However, the FPCs aren't usually updated until midday or later on Scratch Time. The Wiki times in stuff like edit histories are shown in your local time which you can set in preferences. On talk pages, the times are shown in UTC.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Nominations are now open!

If you wish to run, you can nominate yourself at Scratch Wiki:Elections/June 2017/Nominations. Please note that if a lot of people nominate themselves, only some of them will be chosen to run, so nominating yourself does not guarantee you a place in the election. You should also look at the privileges that EWs have and take a look at jvvg's sandbox, where he's made a comprehensive list of EW responsibilities. Finally, if you intend to run or have already nominated yourself, good luck, have fun, and may the best man win!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:23, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, nominations are open to anyone whose account was created before May 5, 2017 and has more than 50 mainspace edits. Also, the correct link to my sandbox is here. Please only nominate yourself if you are prepared to lead the Wiki in the coming years, as I intend to become mostly inactive later this year and need somebody else to lead.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:48, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

My Nominations

I was on a mobile device when filling out the form so it kind of messed up and submitted it multiple times. Hope that isn't a problem! Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

That's fine I removed the repeated ones.
21:28, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Where is Scratch hosted vs. Scratch Wiki?

How is Scratch down, but not the Wiki, if they're both on Scratch's servers?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Actually, it seems like anybody using scratchsigs is affected: [4] but that's because those photos are hosted on the Scratch part... again, why is only Scratch down and not the Wiki?!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I know that the two servers they use are different, I just don't know what they are. There's also sometimes where they are doing a bug update, and they have no reason to close down the wiki site for a big update on the normal site. Don't take my word on this though.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 12:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ A simple DNS lookup can get us pretty far:

nslookup
> wiki.scratch.mit.edu
Server:		127.0.0.53
Address:	127.0.0.53#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:	wiki.scratch.mit.edu
Address: 54.197.113.91
> scratch.mit.edu
Server:		127.0.0.53
Address:	127.0.0.53#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:	scratch.mit.edu
Address: 151.101.130.33
Name:	scratch.mit.edu
Address: 151.101.194.33
Name:	scratch.mit.edu
Address: 151.101.2.33
Name:	scratch.mit.edu
Address: 151.101.66.33

That tells that the Wiki's IP address is 54.197.113.91 while Scratch's IP address is at 151.101.130.33. Looking them up, the Wiki's IP points to Amazon web hosting, a popular cloud hosting service. Scratch's IP address points to Fastly, an upstream caching service (it's a thing placed between the server and the user to optimize performance). That may seem like the end of the line (i.e. we don't know what's going on behind Fastly), except that Lightnin announced back in 2012 that Dell donated server equipment to host it (clicky!). Additionally, when there was a power outage in the Boston metro area (also in 2012), the site went down (clicky!). That tells us that the Scratch website is hosted at MIT in Cambridge, MA.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Additionally ScratchSig doesn't work during a site outage because 1. the pictures are hosted on the Scratch server and 2. the extension actually looks up the location of the picture on the Scratch website on the fly.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:02, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

 Thanks
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm getting "Uh oh,Server Troubles" A Lot Today...

Does anyone know what's going on? I had to post this here because the forums are obviously down.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 11:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

...look at my message above yours. Thankfully, Scratch is back up now, but boy, that was annoying!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Nominations close tomorrow

Nominations for the EW election close tomorrow at midnight UTC (8 PM Scratch Time, about 25 hours after I post this announcement). If you are not sure whether or not you want to run, please make your decision now. Once nominations close, we will decide which of the nominees will run in the election and make an announcement shortly after.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI, they close in half an hour now.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:28, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

No, they go through tomorrow.
00:14, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I should have been clearer. I meant midnight at the end of tomorrow (so technically midnight on the 13^th, or 8PM Scratch Time on the 12^th). However, I did specify in the original post that I meant about 25 hours after the time I made the post.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:36, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

To clarify further, we will announce the chosen nominees on Tuesday morning.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Whoops! But anyway, we'll see who you guys pick to run tomorrow then. Good luck to everyone!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Nominations close in a little under four hours.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Scratch doesn't load for me anymore.

Whenever I try to access Scratch, it just loads and loads and loads until the "Server cannot be found" message comes up. I'm in China, where the Internet is censored a lot.
♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 23:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, I guess the Internet was being wonky.

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 23:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

New FPC

Pylar is the new FPC!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Election candidate list

Election nominations have closed, and we are pleased to announce the list of candidates for the June 2017 EW election! They are...

• banana439monkey
• customhacker
• kenny2scratch
• makethebrainhappy

If your name is on the list, please start writing your speech. Once you are done, please post it as a reply to this post. Voting will open on June 19^th.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Good luck everyone!
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 03:22, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Can you clarify requirments? Only 8 lines you said? No preformatted text? Please Clarify.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 11:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I didn't get in....*sob sob* but the excitement I felt leading up to it was almost worth it...
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 14:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Congrats! I'm excited to see your speeches!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:45, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, frankly I am pondering about the "8 line rule" myself because when I look at Scratch Wiki:Elections/February 2016 I see Hamish's speech has about 12 lines, other people seem to have 9 lines. I don't believe your specific browser/OS/monitor would play a role in how many lines appear on your screen, but it's possible it could have an effect. I would say do it like they did in the 2016 election but keep it to 8 lines including the top line (a lot of them in 2016 seemed to squeeze in a 9th line).
15:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm Banana439monkey. I've been here for over two years and with 1300+ edits, I've helped fix grammar, update the SDS and FPC pages and make templates. I also know Wiki Markup, as demonstrated by my userpage. I'm also active on the wiki. Without activity, to be honest, I wouldn't nominate myself. I wouldn't know about the election. I also see a lot of pages not related to Scratch, or have the necessity to be deleted in which case being an EW would help the issue. I also consider myself good at reviewing things, therefore I would consider myself well at reviewing account requests. Also, good luck to other people.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

16:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Put the speech at Scratch Wiki:Elections/June 2017, not here.
18:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I tried doing that, but I do not believe that I have permission :/.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 19:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Whoops, my bad. Just put them here and we will copy them over.
19:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Scratch Wiki Members, my name is MakeTheBrainHappy and I hope to be your next EW. As an EW, I will continue to look for ways to help connect the main site to the wiki by supporting wiki Wednesday and receiving community feedback on what should be added to the wiki. By sparking interest in the wiki I will support activity growth and encourage new users to join us :). Personally I have written six stickied guides in the forums and many more ITopics. On the wiki I have been active over these past two years adding edits, paragraphs, and references to improve the wiki and it's culture. I have served in many leadership capacities in the scratch community, and I feel that I would serve well in the capacity of experienced wikian. Thank you for reading!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

If the election coordinators feel that the emoji counts as special formatting, then feel free to remove it :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I've been here since January, and I've made 1100+ edits. Edit counts aren't really what matters, though. Quality is what's important. I know basically 90% of every markup language used on the Wiki, including HTML, CSS, and MediaWiki markup. I've been making edit after mainspace edit, each one high quality, whether it be fixing a typo or making a revamp to a page. There may have been a few stumbles along the way, but now, I'm on the right track! In the time I've been here, I've revamped some pages, fixed countless grammar and spelling errors, and made quite a few new pages. Oh, don't forget welcoming people! I really think that new users don't get the love they deserve. It's really no different on Scratch or on the Wiki; new users are generally ignored. I have been remedying that, both by answering questions and proactively offering help. Being an EW would really enable me to help more, from deleting unneeded pages and files to accepting account requests. The recent changes page is constantly before my eyes, so patrolling edits would be completely up my alley. Though I may live in Hong Kong, on the opposite side of the world from the US, I promise that, for the rest of my Scratching and Wiking life, I will be unswervingly active, immediately reachable, and inseparable from the main site (for the News and other updates), whether I win or not. Thank you for considering me to be an EW and for contributing to the Wiki. Good luck to everyone! - Kenny2scratch
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure its that big of a deal, but isn't there an 8-line maximum? You have 16 lines there. The candidates in the last election stretched the rules a bit, so it may still be alright. . Good Luck!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

It's 8 lines on my computer... This is why that limit needs clarification. How many characters counts as a line...?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I see where the confusion is. I counted each sentence as a "line". . Other than that, I'm not sure.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The issue is that you're using Vector while the rest of us are using SWS. The speech needs to be 8 lines or fewer when using SWS.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'll resubmit the speech here once I fix it.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

My name is Customhacker, and I hope to be one of your next Experienced Wikians. One question you may be asking right now is what sets me apart from these other great candidates. Let me tell you. I’m familiar with the community. I have been using Scratch for over two and a half years, and have spent one year helping in the Scratch Forums. I also joined the Wiki some time ago, and have seen it grow and change. Through my time in both communities, I know what we need. Leadership. Leadership that I can not only provide, but handle appropriately. One thing I can tell is that this Wiki needs more organization. I have seen multiple Wikians join who would like to be active and helpful - but can't. Why? We have left them to figure everything out. They get S:NEW and S:CHEAT in their welcome message - that is not enough. I don't like seeing users floundering and not be able to reply. That is the most basic thing on the Wiki - but there is no guide for that! This needs to change. I can tell the Wiki community needs my leadership. I am the person who can start this revolution of the WIki, and I am not afraid to do it.

Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 01:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

This is the same length as Hamish's speech from last year, so I think it is ok?

Opinions?
    Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ  |  cσптяıв ) 01:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Can you please make it shorter? This time we're being more vigilant about this kind of thing, and I want all of the speeches to be more or less the same length.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

By the way, my speech is here:

I've been here since January, and I've made 1100+ edits. Edit counts aren't really what matters, though (quality is what's important). I know about 90% of every markup language used on the Wiki, and I use them to make edit after mainspace edit, each one high quality. In the time I've been here, I've revamped some pages, fixed countless language errors, and made quite a few new pages. Oh, don't forget welcoming people! I really think that new users don't get the love they deserve; they're generally ignored. I have been remedying that, both by answering questions and proactively offering help. Though I may live on the opposite side of the world from the US, I promise that for the rest of my Scratching and Wiking life, I will be unswervingly active, immediately reachable, and inseparable from the main site (for the News and other updates), whether I win or not. Thank you for considering me to be an EW, contributing, and voting in this year's election. Good luck to everyone!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I’m Customhacker, and I hope to be one of your next EWs. I’m familiar with the community; using Scratch for almost 3 years, and spending one helping in the Forums. I also joined the Wiki some time ago, and have seen it grow and change. Through my time in both communities, I know what we need. Leadership. Leadership that I can not only provide, but handle appropriately. One thing I can tell is that this Wiki needs more organization. I have seen multiple Wikians join who would like to be active and helpful - but can't. Why? We have left them to figure everything out. They get S:NEW and S:CHEAT in their welcome message - that is not enough. I don't like seeing users floundering and not be able to reply. That is the most basic thing on the Wiki - but users aren’t taught how to do it! This needs to change. I am the person who can start this revolution of the WIki, and I am not afraid to do it.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 11:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Better?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 11:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

You're going to be upset, but when I paste it into the actual Scratch Wiki:Elections/June 2017 page, it comes out to 8 1/2 lines so it'll have to be a bit shorter. Sorry! If you want copy the source code of that page to your sandbox so you can test the length there. Since the speeches are wrapped in that blue box the width is slightly less than here on the CP.
15:04, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

For the last time, here is my speech:

I've been here since January, and I've made 1400+ edits (edit counts aren't really what matters, though). I know about 90% of every markup language used on the Wiki, and I use them to make edit after high quality mainspace edit. In the time I've been here, I've revamped some pages, fixed countless language errors, and made quite a few new pages. Oh, don't forget welcoming people! I really think that new users don't get the love they deserve; they're mostly ignored. I have been remedying that, both by answering questions and proactively offering help. Though I live on the other side of the world, I promise that for the rest of my programming life, I will be unswervingly active, immediately reachable, and inseparable from the main site, whether I win or not. Thank you for considering me to be an EW and for contributing. Good luck to everyone!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that one is also about 8.5 lines on the page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:44, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I've finally got it down to 8!:

Heya! I'm Customhacker. I’m familiar with the community; using Scratch for almost 3 years, and spending 1 year in the Forums. I joined the Wiki some time ago, and I’ve seen it grow and change. Through my time in both communities, I know what we need: Leadership - which I can not only provide, but handle properly. The Wiki needs more organization. I’ve seen multiple Wikians join who would like to be active and helpful - but can't, as we left them to figure everything out! Users get S:NEW and S:CHEAT in their welcome message which isn't enough. I hate seeing users floundering, as they aren't able to reply to others. That’s the most basic thing on the Wiki - but users aren’t taught how to do it! This needs to change. I’m the person who can start this revolution of the Wiki, and I’m not afraid to do it. Vote Customhacker for EW!
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 20:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Added, thanks :)

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  21:07, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm late, sorry but "I look at Scratch Wiki:Elections/February 2016 I see Hamish's speech has about 12 lines": if I recall correctly last election the limit was actually made 8 sentences. I know that it says differently on the page but I seem to remember inquiring about it because of screen sizes and stuff and being told it was sentences not lines.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Interesting.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 12:10, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Let me go fact check myself... lol
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Here is what I just learned going through the CP Archives:

• It was 8 sentences [5]
• Jvvg has a good sense of humor
• Jvvg said the Wiki would shut down...

• ...as an AF joke in 2016.
  Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:28, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Okay, since my (supposedly shortened) speech seems not to be on the page yet, let me repeat it:

I've been here since January, and I've made 1400+ edits (edit counts aren't really what matters, though). I know about 90% of every markup language used on the Wiki, and I use them to make edit after high quality mainspace edit. In the time I've been here, I've revamped some pages, fixed countless language errors, and made quite a few new pages. Oh, don't forget welcoming people! I really think that new users don't get the love they deserve; they're mostly ignored. I have been remedying that, both by answering questions and proactively offering help. Though I live on the other side of the world, I promise that for the rest of my programming life, I will be unswervingly active, immediately reachable, and inseparable from the main site, whether I win or not. Thank you for considering me to be an EW and for contributing. Good luck to everyone!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

nobody likes my speech But seriously, this is <8 lines basically anywhere, could it be added please? @Turkey3 I'm looking at you... you had the time to reply to Drunken_Sailor on my talk page but not to add my speech...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I added it. It is technically longer than 8 lines including your username, however I'll let that go since by itself it is 8 lines. Sorry for taking a while.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Unused files

Archive_68#Should we delete... raised a relevant point. There are still 235 unused files, and almost all of them are 1.4 images. Should we start using those files (like put sections in the relevant block articles with those images) or should we delete them?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm... Maybe we could use https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/File:Kaj-userpage.png in Kaj
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

However, unused user images such as File:Banana439monkey.gif, File:Color Divide Logo.PNG, File:CSS3 and HTML5 logos and wordmarks.svg.png, File:Bigpuppy banner.png, File:7SnailsLogo1.png, File:Bigpuppylogo.gif, File:Bigpuppy puppy.png, File:Customhacker Logo2.png, File:-Anvard-.png, File:Rainbow124.png, File:Rainbow1241.png, File:Rainbow12401.png, File:Rainbow132 Banner.png, File:Banner01.png and File:Banner0.png should be deleted.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

My golly how far back in the CP did you dig to find that :D - anyway, they are unused, I don't care if they are deleted since they are unused, nor does it hurt if they stay.
22:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I was bored and looking through the archives :P but yeah, I really think some stuff should be deleted there.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:40, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

By the way, @Drunken_Sailor, that Kaj image is not legitimate (it was done with inspect element and the title at the top says "gagi on Scratch" instead of kaj). I think it should probably be deleted anyway.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:00, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Yes, delete it.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

can't... not EW...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Also, we should get permission from the owners of the user images before we delete them.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 13:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

True enough.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The problem is that many of the unused files were uploaded by users who are no longer active, so they wouldn't respond to permission requests.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I think if the files contain something about Scratch, if it's an old image of anything Scratch related, they should stay for history. They could also be renamed to something more obscure to keep them out of the way, but I like them still being there. Same with users' personal files, rename them to username_<filename> or something like that perhaps.
18:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I was about to raise the point that if we rename them that'll break file links but they're unused so... . Anyway, the 1.4 block images should probably just be used in all of the articles about the new blocks, so like have it on the right with the caption "The ___ block in Scratch 1.4".
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

That would depend on what we do about what I talk about below in my "past, present, future" post.
02:54, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Why can I not upload this file?

I'm trying to upload a new version of this, but I can't. This error message keeps coming up:

File extension ".jpg" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/png).

Can someone help? Thanks in advance.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 17:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

You need to upload a jpeg image not a png since a jpeg was the original type.
18:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah thank you.  Done
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Voting question

Just to be sure, will votes be anonymous during and after the election for EW? I am pretty sure they are, but I'm just making sure. Thank you.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 20:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The results for the last election were @ Scratch Wiki:Elections/February 2016/Results - And they seem anonymous, so I assume so with this one as well.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 20:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Voting is done on another website (jvvg's) and they are anonymous.
20:59, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Then this is answered/ Done
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 01:54, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

When you vote, your user ID is associated with how you vote. However, this will never be posted publicly and the last election this was only used to verify that candidates ranked themselves last (and that was done by an automatic script). This election, I programmed it so candidates are required to mark themselves last, so I won't even need to do that. The votes are still associated with the voter's user ID just in case, but if anyone ever looks it at it for any reason, it will only be me, and I will only look it in the event that there is an issue that needs to be resolved.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Notes on the Elections

Just some things to point out. We decided that if you are running in the election you are also required to vote in the election. And you will not be able to vote for yourself. It is done this way because otherwise the people who are running wouldn't vote at all because it'd risk giving the other candidates a better chance over them. So, if you run, you vote.

When voting starts it will be done on another website where you will login with your Wiki credentials and vote. Your vote will be anonymous.
21:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Alright
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Is this optional? Just wondering.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 22:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I second Nickeljorn's question.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 23:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@WolfCat67, please don't link to the user's userpage or Scratch profile when mentioning them in a message.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Why does it matter? Anyway nobody (except the candidates) are required to vote in the election.
01:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, you indicated that in the OP.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ He was talking to nickeljorn I think.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 14:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kenny2scratch Sorry, but why not?
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't recall exactly, but it's something along the lines of "if they've done something bad, you're providing an easy link for everyone to see who did it wrong"... I know in this case nobody did anything bad but it's a good general practice. (Also, it reduces clutter. User looks better than [[User:User|User]].) To mention someone, you can just do @user to let people know who you're referring to without linking to their userpage.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

About blocking

I find this somewhat strange: In Special:Log/block all the usernames, log actions, and summaries are hidden. This is correct. However, anybody can see Special:BlockList, including usernames, blocking admins, and reasons! Can these be hidden too, or should the page itself be hidden to normal users? Unless this is deliberate, I really think this should be taken care of.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:56, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

The block list is about blocks that are current, and include autoblocks in it, so they are slightly different. But I do think that somebody could remove the usernames since it could still have the same effect.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 12:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

There isn't an easy way to hide the block list. MediaWiki has a feature built-in to censor revisions, and that also includes log entries. However, it does not have a built-in feature to restrict visibility of pages (including special pages) unless they have an associated permission, which the block list does not.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... in that case I suppose only someone with access to the server code could change this... oh well.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Archiving

How often is archiving done on the CP? Just wondering.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 13:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Usually it's once every 50 topics or so... I do agree that this time we have a whole bunch of really long topics though. I would probably suggest that we archive once the election is done.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:30, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree. With all the election business going on, the CP is filling up quicker than usual. I believe that Drunken_Sailor was talking about how you archive it though.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 02:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Duckboycool No, I just wanted to know how many topics it took before the CP is archived. @Kenny2scratch Got it. Thanks!  Done
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 06:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

No problem!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)