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Suggestions to connect with the main website?

 Not done

You all may have noticed that we're relatively detached from the main Scratch website. We're trying to fix that by connecting the Wiki with the main site as much as we can, and we would like your input! Any ideas would be appreciated.

Please post your suggestions here
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:22, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! I'll check it out. Thanks, jvvg!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Yep, and please also comment other suggestions if you like :) - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 20:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

That's really a great chance for the Scratch-Wiki...I hope all authors contribute with their thoughts and ideas
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Maybe there could be a link at the op of the page, like "Discuss" and "Explore"--
MegaByteCorporations (talk | contribs) 19:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

That's already been suggested, and I don't think we're doing it.

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 23:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

That's unfortunate.

--
MegaByteCorporations (talk | contribs) 18:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Indeed-I too like that idea; I actually saw it in the forums.

Abbotcostello (talk | contribs)

Scratch News

 Not done Do we really have to announce new FPC's and SDS's? Can't people just look at the front page? I think It should be about new and retiring ST members, and stuff that would go in the announcements.
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree. That stuff is kind of obvious, and not very important. Also, it happens a lot, so it doesn't always get updated on time. For example, bjskistad was only curator for 1 or 2 more days when he or she was announced as the curator. Also, I think updates to Scratch should be announced.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 15:27, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 18:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree, the News panel does need some revamps in what we put there. However, FPC's and (at least) SDS's are notable and fun to know about. Even though they might be on the Scratch front page doesn't mean we can't have it. I can understand though that FPC do get updated very frequently, every week, and might not be too notable.

Tomorrow I might add a bit of info to the news updating guidelines.

Update: I instead updated the News to include a somewhat recent update. That should act as a precedent.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree with ErnieParke. I think that it is fun to know new SDS's and new FPC's, but we should also add new news like as you said new Scratch Team Members.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we could keep SDS news as it doesn't change too often, but maybe remove the FPC news, as users such as "thenextcurator" are becoming quite popular.
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 17:29, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Definitely agreed. FPCs change every week now, so it's going to simply clutter up the news box and make more important announcements disappear more quickly. Maybe you could add an option in the Preferences allowing you to enable and disable FPC and SDS announcements?
Srevilo (talk | contribs) 21:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

I think we should do a FPC update every two weeks. It should shows the next two upcoming FPCs, as well as the current one. I think we should keep SDS's and add some other news. Who agrees?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Good idea Coke11! It would be more compact for sure.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:06, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

What other news could we add?

Coke11 (talk | contribs) 16:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Citing sources

I just noticed that Help:Welcome/3 says the following.

“	Though it is not required, it is highly recommended to provide more information than that in a footnote. Here is a more complete footnote: <ref>Name of author, [http://scratch.mit.edu/article_name.html "Title of article"], ''Scratch Website'', date</ref>	”
– Help:Welcome/3

However, in practice, this is never really done and I don't think I've seen any page on this wiki cite a source like that. So do you think we should actually start referencing in full, or should we just remove that part?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 05:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I think this wiki isn't to formal, so we don't have to formalize the references too. Also, I think it would just discourage people from referencing at all. We could remove it from the page, but it might not hurt if we just kept it there.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I think we need to make that whole page less confusing. I generally only do small things, since I don't really understand citations that well.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

I updated the page to remove the tid bit that you brought up.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday: August

Hello everyone! It's that special time of year again! Not, it's not December. It's WW!

Last month we picked the Custom Blocks article.

What should we pick for this month? Just remember, the article should have:

- Good content

- Have a few images

- Follow Wiki standards
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

How about Sixty-Second Rule? It would help explain why it's in place, so it would help the ST! :D
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

What about List of Block Workarounds? Although there's a lot of red/undefined blocks in it, I'm trying to fix those right now.. *hint hint* someone help me xD

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 18:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Finished fixing the page

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

18:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Really nice catch! Thank you two for fixing the page. :)

Back on topic, Sixty-Second Rule seems nice, but it's not very important.

List of Block Workarounds is intriguing. I do see one problem with it. Some of the scripts are such that you can't see the entire thing. (distance to sprite) is a good example on how to fix it.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

How about the Pen article?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 18:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Ernie No problem, also, what do you mean?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

15:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I tried putting the div width things in one section, and I was able to make the scrolling thing, but some of it is still cut off.. I'm not sure how to fix it, so I didn't save it :/

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 15:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I suggest Pen Art Examples
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 19:21, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

@pianogirl84: That usually means that either the div is too wide, or there are other scripts "pushing" the width of the box.

Anyways, I will be using the Pen article. It looks great, and is super relevant.

@Frodewin: Oh come on, we just talked about it. ;) Next WW.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

@Ernie I can't fix that because the comment on one of the scripts is long.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:20, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I could try rewording the comments so they're shorter..

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 11:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

May be better

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

11:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

For the next ww-article I vote for Pen Art Examples
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 19:22, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Pen Art Examples seem to fit in with the one line featured studio, so it might work. But, we just featured Pen. Maybe another article about another featured studio??

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposed change to S:CONTRIB

User:KrIsMa/ProposedSContrib I have completed a draft for the changing of S:CONTRIB! I hope that this will make users read it more! What are your suggestions? By the way, anyone can edit that page now!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Are you using real account requests for your examples (because of the censored username in one)? We should have made-up examples so people are not hurt, like in the bad Scratch Wiki request blog.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 06:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for reviewing those. We told users that we reserved the right for using their request notes without their username. I talked to an admin and he said that as long as we're not making fun of people, it's ok. I'll ask more admins though!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I updated the page.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Cool, I think it looks really nice! The only things I think you should change are the "Login to your account" part and the tips section towards the end. The login section makes it sound like you need to log in to your wiki account, not your Scratch account, so maybe you could add the word Scratch to the heading? Also, I think some people don't read the tips because they're called tips, and usually the word tips doesn't refer to something you have to read. (Sorry if that sounded really harsh, I didn't mean that in a mean way >_<)

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 12:15, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't see that anyone could edit the page. Never mind...

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 17:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you @Pianogirl84!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for working on this! I like a lot of the changes you've made to simplify it a bit. Here are some changes that came to mind to me as I read it:

• Like Chibi-Matoran, I'm concerned about using real examples as "poor request notes", even if it's not framed in a mean way. I think it's okay to have a collection of real good request notes, but I don't want Scratchers to feel like they're being shamed, even if it's not on purpose. If you want to include "poor" examples, I'd suggest making a few up, and making it clear that they are made up so folks don't feel too intimidated to give it a try.
• It still feels like there's a lot of information. It's ~650 words, which would take the average adult 5 minutes to read-- even longer for many kids, probably. I think if we try really hard, we could reduce it to something like half as long, by removing anything that is redundant (For example, "DO Give specific examples" means about the same thing as "DO NOT be vague").
• Speaking of the DOs and DO NOTs, often on the main Scratch website we try to stick mostly to DOs, because it's more encouraging. Do you think you could convert most of the necessary DO NOTs to DOs? Like "DO NOT Say you want to translate pages" could be converted to "DO apply to Scratch wikis in other language if you want to write in a language other than English"

Thanks for working on this again! If you disagree with anything I said, I'm totally open to discussion :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 16:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I never really thought of the negativity of the DO NOTs... Good point :P

@KrlsMa-you're welcome! If you want, I can help make a few fake request notes like scmb1 said.

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 17:07, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ My thoughts about scmb1's post...

• I agree with the first point, and I think KrIsMa changed them to examples we made up.
• Regarding the second point, we really need to think about what we're trying to accomplish. At least the way I see it, the point of having the account request system at all is to make sure that users are prepared to contribute to the Wiki. An important part of the Wiki is reading and understanding the rules, and so it makes sense for the criteria to join be based on reading and understanding a set of rules. Remember that Scratch Wiki:New Page Policies (for example) is rather long (and would be difficult to shorten due to all of the various types of articles that could be created), and it is imperative that all users read it. If we make S:CONTRIB too simple, then we run the risk that we will get users who aren't prepared to read the various guideline and documentation pages we have and this will make it much harder to maintain the quality of the articles.
• I also disagree with the third point. "Do not", while sounding more negative, is also much clearer. For the specific example about translation, people will not read an encouragement to translate at the appropriate Wikis the same way that they will read a message telling them not to request an account here for the sole purpose of translating. In general, encouraging users to do something one way is not the same way as discouraging them from doing it a different way. After processing account requests for several years, I have seen countless requests that don't follow the "Do not" requirements (the most common was originally some variation "I want to help New Scratchers", but that subsided a bit once we added the "do not" line about it). Not explicitly saying that they shouldn't do something means that they probably will say it if they were thinking it.

I hope this makes my position on the issue clearer.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts! Regarding the second point, I think what I was trying to express is that we should do our best to be concise-- not actually eliminate important information. If we want the applicants to read something that's long and repetitive simply to show that they can, that seems like an unnecessary barrier to entry for otherwise potentially qualified applicants. Perhaps my proposal of reducing it by half was a little dramatic-- but I do think we could reduce it without loosing much of the message. In fact, making it more concise could actually strengthen the message. Regarding my "do not" suggestion-- it's good to hear about your experience. I'm interested to hear what others think about this particular issue. I do feel as though most could be effectively converted to DO. For example, "Rather than just saying that you'd like to help Scratchers, explain specifically what topics you'd like to help with." But perhaps either could work.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 20:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I also help confirm account requests, and the most common mistake I see is that users aren't specific and are very vague about why they want to contribute. I completely understand your reasoning about changing DO NOTs to DOs, but some of them are quite important as DO NOTs, for emphasis. For an example, if a user is skimming the page (which I would say 1/2 the account requests do) they will probably miss a point saying 'Do try to explain how you will help on the wiki' but they will see it if it strongly says 'DO NOT simply say you want to help; be specific' (I don't think it says that exactly, but that was an example). DO NOTs are simply more noticeable and stand out more than DOs, and because of that, I think we should keep the main important points as DO NOTs. However, perhaps we could write a message at the bottom saying something along the lines of "Please do not take these requirements as belittling or aggressive, they are simply meant to catch your attention due to their imperative importance." (Probably make the wording more child friendly of course).

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  02:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Good points! I actually really like your version of 'DO NOT simply say you want to help; be specific' because it points to what they should do rather than simply what they should not do-- which is more constructive and therefore more useful.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 18:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

I edited the S:CONTRIB, and considered everyone's ideas. Is there anything else I should add? :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:17, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Oo, I like that you put some of the DO NOT/DOs in pairs! Makes it more constructive. I'm wondering if you could add "DO"s to go with the unpaired DO NOTs as well? I'm going to show what you're been working on with the Scratch Community Team today, so I'll probably come back with more feedback :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 15:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I added DO's to the rest of the DO NOT's. I look forward to see what the rest of the team has to say :D
 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  17:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Howdy! I ran it by some other members of the Scratch Team. They appreciated your efforts to improve the page. Here are two points of feedback they gave:

1. They found it a little hard to read with the "Scratch Wiki Account Requirements" and the "Request Note Guidelines" squeezed in on the right side. What would it look like if those just came in sections below the other text rather than in side bars?
2. We weren't really sure about the rule to include the word "lambda" in your request. "Lambda" is a hard word to spell that a lot of kids haven't heard of, and, at least to us, harkens very technical topics that might make less computer sciencey Scratchers feel like the wiki isn't for them. And requiring folks comment any code word seems like an unnecessarily confusing hoop to make them jump-- at least to us, it feels like it's setting people up to fail. Do you think you could remove that part?
   Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 14:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey there scmb1! Thanks so much for the feedback :) I completely agree with you about the bad use of "lambda", but I have a different opinion on removing the word all together. Meaning, I think we should change it, but not remove it. My reasoning is because we need a way to ensure that users read the S:CONTRIB in its entirety. Sneaking in a word they have to put accomplishes that. There are a couple reasons why we need to ensure that they read the entire page.

1. To stop requests that will be rejected immediately for not following the requirements. (ex. account being a New Scratcher, account not mentioning specific articles, etc.) These not only hinder our process of getting to other requests fast, but also hinder the users ability to get an account quicker.
2. To ensure that users are capable of reading longer articles. Upon an account being created, the user is linked to several very helpful tutorials that explain how the different features on the Wiki works. Wiki language and features are often confusing to learn, so it would be next to impossible to shorten these articles. If a user can't read S:CONTRIB in its entirety, then they won't be able to read these helpful tutorials, which will lead to a very confusing Wiki experience.

As you can see, I feel that a certain word that the user needs to include is very vital. However, again, I'm completely open to changing what the word is :) Also, I would be very open to coming up with a new way of proving that the user has read the entire article. Apologies if there are any typos in this, I'm on mobile and my keyboard is a bit small :P

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  20:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

International Scratch Wikis: Statistic-Bot?

• JA:Special:AllPages did develop quite good acording users and pages :-) So sometimes there seem to be positive developments only by waiting...How did the others develop?
  • ID:Special:AllPages
  • RU:Special:AllPages
  • NL:Special:AllPages
  • HU:Special:AllPages
  • Find out more at: de:Scratch-Wiki:Watch
• Also http://test.scratch-wiki.info is developing, also we still would need more help of experinced wikians
• Coudn't we have an automatised statistic about the growing of the wikis? (entries, articles, pictures, templates, users...) We could show the development at every wiki-wednesday. What do you think? Who could write a bot to collect and publish those numbers weekly?

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 18:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@all: I just want to point out that even if you are not very experienced with coding, you can try using the same easy-to-use Java framework that User:InterwikiBot uses. I'm willing to provide help too. :)

@Martin: Good point! It would be nice to see how each wiki is doing.

On that note, remember how earlier we tried to install Extension:HitCounters on the DACH wiki? I'm willing to try again. I also found another extension that is slightly more flexible: Extension:TopTenPages
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:28, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Question

If anyone can answer this, I know alt accounts on this wiki aren't allowed, but what about "public wifi" accounts, where you use them on public wifi?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

15:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Why would you need a separate account for that?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:59, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Security concerns is probably the reason.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:48, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

The new FPC is myself, rainbow_waves :)
rainbow_waves (talk | contribs) 12:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  13:19, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The front page states that rainbow_waves is the 211th curator, but Mario_Troll has already been given that number.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 14:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Fixed! Thanks :)

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  16:16, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Broken template

I'm not sure if it already exists, but there should be a broken template, where you put it on a page if the formatting has gone wrong. For example, if the scratchblocks plugin has been updated.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

13:52, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't imagine this template won't be super helpful because there bad formatting will be rare to appear. Then again, when something does break, it usually is a big mess. I support!

Do you want to make the template? My only recommendation is that the template puts pages into a category, which itself is part ofCategory:Organization.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:03, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Yup.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

18:58, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, did you make it yet?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Broken

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

How to add a nifty HTML header to your userpage!

Hi guys, I recently made a discovery with the Scratch Wiki. In which you can use HTML when you are editing. That means instead of doing ==Header== you can do <h1>text</h1>. You may of known that. But after spending some time I managed to create a nifty header that can go anywhere on you userpage. (Or other pages IF you know what you're doing)

Here is the script/text:

<div style="position: absolute;left:0px;top:0px;width:100%;height:HOW FAR DOWNpx;background-color:BACKGROUND COLOUR;line-height:40px;font-size: 40px;font-weight: bold;color:TEXT COLOUR;z-index:123;text-align:center;">YOUR TEXT HERE</div>

Let me explain it.

• Where it says 'HOW FAR DOWN' is how many pixels down you want the header to be. I recommend 40 for a regular userpage. You must have NO text here because the HTML goes to the front of the page and will overlap the text.
• BACKGROUND COLOUR is the background colour of the header. So 'orange', 'red', etc.
• TEXT COLOUR is the colour of the text in the header.

Fill in the variables stated above and you'll be ready to go. Here is an example of what I made of it.

A tiny piece of the page is cut off because the picture is too big.

Golden-scratch (talk | contribs) 14:05, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Nice! But a limitation to using HTML (and especially using position-absolute) is that content could cut out of the scratch wiki default box (you noticed that above). Other than that it's very cool (and colorful!)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:38, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, because it's HTML and not wikitext it will cut off the box as the wiki isn't made to be compatible with this type of HTML. Meaning that the box can't get affected because the 'headers' are on the 'front layer' if that's how you'd describe it.

Golden-scratch (talk | contribs) 18:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, you can use HTML on the wiki. Just one thing: in general, I believe we prefer using wikicode to create headers instead of HTML tags.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

@Hamish752: It depends. Both have benefits. HTML is more customizable, but Wiki code is easier.

@Golden-Scratch: I believe the width of a Wiki page is 720 pixels (or a touch smaller), so try setting all div widths to 720px.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

New FPC!

@Happymango is FPC!
Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 13:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  14:15, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

It's meant to be happymango, not Happymango

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

19:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Done!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Various Updates from Scratch Conference @ MIT 2016

I am currently at Scratch Conference @ MIT 2016. There is some new news released here that I would like to use to update articles here. (Ex: Scratch 3.0 will be in JS. ) However, I would also like to make this news reference-able. Is there someone's profile I can comment on and get comment links from? Thank you! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

You can use mine :)

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  18:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you! ;)

Please remember to post comment links here when you get them.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ernie: You know you can just get the IDs of the comments using inspect element? For example, here's the link to the comments you left on Galla's profile.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 09:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I did not know that. Thank you for the tip! I'll continue to comment on St19's profile for now, to keep things organized.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 12:09, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

@General: If you do want to help out with updating articles, that would be nice.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I could help update a few articles ^.^ By the way, I saw a few new pictures of teacher/student accounts on the ST's Twitter account, should I add some of the better pics to the Student and Teacher Accounts article?

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 12:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Sure! I'm hoping to get the slideshow that they used for the "What's Next for Scratch?" panel, so hopefully we will have additional photos.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:54, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

@Pianogirl84: I added some pictures. If you have anything interesting that's not already there, feel free to add it. ^.^

Also, do you have any idea of pages that can link to Microworlds ?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay :) Um... Project Types? (Or do you mean pages that should have a link to Microworlds?

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 23:39, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

...

Api's down again...

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

14:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I think it might be because the main website's down :P

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 14:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Nope. It's up and it won't work.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

14:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

It's back xD

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 14:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah. :P

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

14:57, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, they were just updating the website. I refreshed the website just before they took it down, and it looked weird: Cubeupload

I think the update was aimed at fixing bugs.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I just checked the registration page, and it appears to be working again
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:06, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Wait, that general.create thing happened to you too? I thought I was the only one o_O

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 18:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Hm, it makes me think that jsx broke for a moment.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:59, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Not to be a snitch, but jvvg's talk page no longer works.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

19:26, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

It works for me?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Not here.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

19:38, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I know this is standard, but have you tried hard refreshing?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:02, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:36, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Huh, it's happening to me too.

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 11:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Community Moderators Article

I left a comment on this article but new it would never get noticed. What do you guys think? https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Talk:Community_Moderators --
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 16:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

ST Request

I would like to say something. A few days ago, I talked to the ST, and they requested that we stop putting templates at the top of all ST pages. Instead, they suggested that we use comments to tell other Scratchers to avoid editing a page. They were okay with using protection too.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean by comments?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Html comments. I'll put one here:
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, since most pages like that are protected, what's the point? We wouldn't be able to see them.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 16:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

If the page was protected, then we wouldn't need the comment. Recall that I said "they suggested that we use comments... They were okay with using protection too."
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

@pinkowlawesome is FPC!

^^^
Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 17:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Administ. / Scratch Team Meeting

Hello Wikians! Just an update on what's going on in the Wiki. Sometime next week (date tbd) the Scratch Wiki Administration team will be having a meeting with some members from the Scratch Team (i.e. scmb1, ceebee, etc.) about general ways of improving the Scratch Wiki. When the meeting is over, we will have lots of updates and answers to questions to share. Some things we expect to be resolved includes but is certainly not limited to:

• A new S:CONTRIB
• Connecting the Wiki to the main site
• Scratch Team involvement in the Wiki
• Scratch Wiki culture

This new section is simply a place where you can suggest any topics or concerns that you might have to be added to the agenda. Please feel free to reply with any questions as well! :)
 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  21:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

...or if you want to contribute your POV about one of the subjects listed :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Is the meeting going to take place on like Skype or the CP?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 12:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Skype. It allows for real time communications, which will be very helpful.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion! Ask them to integrate the wiki into the editor. They already have tutorials and block explanations, but I feel that the wiki takes it a step forward and has a lot to contribute :). Ask them what topics they feel that we should focus on in the wiki. That's all for now :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:44, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

For clarification, what do you mean by "editor" ? Do you mean the project editor?

I'll make sure to bring this suggestion up! ;)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:49, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok :). If I have any ideas I will let you know! (BTW- Is the meeting just for admins, or EW's also?)
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 16:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC) [Edited]

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The meeting is for EWs also. Also, we will be having the meeting on Tuesday, the 16th.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

More Meetings? :P I guess discussions aren't enough. @ErnieParke, I do mean the project editor :). It would be like the Windows internet help console!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 09:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

More meetings was an idea we brought up, because since there is a broad timezone difference between all the admins/ews, we decided to hold different meetings here and there, so we can accommodate everyone :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:28, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ We have held the meeting, and here are the big points:

• S:CONTRIB was the main topic, and these are the changes we are going to make:
  • We are going to make it look and sound friendlier
  • We are going to emphasize more what it means to be a Wiki contributor
  • When processing requests, we will try to be more helpful in letting users find their mistakes
  • We will make it easier for users to find articles to work on
• We will make the Wiki more about "learning by doing" for new users
• Connecting the Wiki with the main site
  • At the moment, linking to the Wiki in the tips window isn't that likely, as they aren't sure if they want to link to a page that any Wiki user can edit
• The ST will be more responsive to bureaucrat action requests

We will have another meeting at a later date, and we will keep everyone posted.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:46, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, please do post any suggestions or ideas you might have :) Thanks!!

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  19:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Next time you could do updating the wiki. Its version has been discontinued.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:57, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Community Portal Search Not Working

Even if I put "Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal", before my search, I either get no results or results that are not good.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 21:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

That is really odd. With a quick search, I see some bug reports that might or might not be related to this bug. If I find out more information, I'll post here, okay? ;)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 13:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

List of articles to fix

Hey, someone in the Questions about Scratch forum made this list of topics that have red/undefined blocks in them that need fixed. I just wanted to let you guys know so we could try to fix them (it's a pretty long list). ^.^
Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 11:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
I'll put the list here so that people can update it as they fix it. If you update one, please strike it out!

• Extensive Scrolling Engine - if + generate blocks
• Scrolling (sprites) - switch to costume
• Simulating Gravity - switch to costume
• Jumping - jump
• Wall Sensors - if
• Advanced Clone Usage - switch to costume
• Mouse-Over - switch to costume
• Sound on/off Button - switch to costume
• Turn-Based RPG - when i am clicked + switch to background + switch to costume
• How to Create a Countdown - if else + if
• How to Make a Title Screen and Levels - if
• Creating a Main Menu - if
• Creating a Quiz - “ceiling of (length of questions/5) //each group contains 1/5 of the total questions”
• Detecting Turbo Mode - switch to background
• Global High Scores - decode + if + encode
• Grid - if else
• Recursion and Fractals - forced iteration + “test legibility at R: () I: ()” + set pen color
• Sorting Values - if + if else
• Separating Clone and Sprite Triggers - if

Let's do this!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks like we're all done!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome, already? :0 (I had to go right away, otherwise I would've helped more... Sorry :3)

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 18:09, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Aww, I missed it :P

Goldfish678 (talk | contribs) 01:55, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

So I almost feel bad about having made that change to the plugin. Except I suppose the entire point was so that people couldn't post obsolete scripts like "if <>". So good work everyone :-)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 17:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Custom sigs

So right now there is no easy way of creating custom signatures. So I suggest it should be easier to find! Who likes this idea?

--
F1lip (talk | contribs) 11:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Isn't creating your own easy enough? The point of custom sigs is to have a unique signature, instead of the default one. If we added some sort of template, custom sigs wouldn't be as unique :3

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 12:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

You misunderstood me. The point is that the page should be easier to find. Okay?

F1lip (talk | contribs) 12:37, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Whoops :P Then yeah, I think it's a good idea :) (By the way, make sure to indent in the new line with your signature-I fixed it for you this time)

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 13:06, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

-- I also find more
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 13:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Do you mean Scratch Wiki:custom Signatures?

I think it is fine right now because we really don't condone using custom signatures (it's not recommended).

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Can you add this category? Pages with broken Scratch Blocks?

I found lots of pages that had a broken Scratch Blocks, Will this category support?
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 12:56, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't think it is really necessary. While it is great you are suggesting things, some of them aren't really useful. Sorry.

--
F1lip (talk | contribs) 12:59, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

This kind of exists already - search forCategory:Pages with Broken Formatting. Pages that use Template:Broken are automatically added to the category.

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 13:09, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Wait, I accidentally added this page to the category o_o I guess I could just remove the link..

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 13:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

What?

I found this page... https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Special:BlankPage Is it a spam page?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 18:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I think?

--
F1lip (talk | contribs) 13:00, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't see why there needs to be a page with nothing helpful in it. It's probably some spam page.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 13:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

You also can't even edit it!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 13:55, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Maybe it's an example of a spam page...?

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 14:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Maybe...
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 15:36, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ found the answer on Google: Quote:

Author:	Nihiltres
Text:	“ It's essentially a test page. It's a page that will always have no content, so it's useful for consistent testing; for avoiding problems related to the content of the page, et cetera. Most people won't actually use it, but it's useful to tech-minded people. For example, someone could test how fast a page loads, consistently over time. ”

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

OK thank you. Is it possible to edit it? If it is, then someone should add a note that the page isn't a spam article.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 18:30, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Admins can probably edit it ^^

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 18:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Maybe an admin can edit the page if they can edit it. There isn't even a talk page! It's only the page!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 00:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I changed it. Does that look better?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks! There's now a small chance that someone will think that it's a spam article.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 02:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

But the problem is that it is not a blank page because it contains the words:

“	This page is intentionally left blank for use in software tests.	”
– Special:BlankPage

3sal2 (talk | contribs) 15:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The message is still clear, though. It explains in no uncertain terms that the page is there to perform software tests and has no other content. Also, why are we arguing about the fine points of the content of a page that very few people are going to see?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:38, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

WM temporarily down

Due to some changes in my equipment situation, WikiMonitor has been down the past few days and will remain down through this week and possibly into next week (depending on when I am able to get the necessary hardware).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Do you need me to run it for you until further notice?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

19:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

No, but thanks for offering.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay. :)

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

10:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I now have the necessary hardware and just need to set it up. Hopefully this will be done sometime tomorrow.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday: September

Hello everyone and welcome to another beautiful Wiki Wednesday! It's that moment where we get to feature an article on the website, and show off something cool.

Last month we featured the Pen article. This month, we have nothing planned so far. What does everyone want to feature? Remember to not pick something cliche, but do pick something with images.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

How about the Tips article?
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 04:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Someone wants to sort out the commenting on List of Block Workarounds

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

08:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcoming Committee?

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 19:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Banana439monkey: We still need to update that article so that scripts aren't hidden off by the right edge of the article. I did a little bit there.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I think it's just the one comment that needs fixing

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

08:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

That was a nice featured article
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 13:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Agreed!

By the way, we have chosen Welcoming Committee as this month's WW article! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Yay!!

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 22:24, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Are we allowed to also suggest templates?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:30, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

ZLGames is the new FPC :)
rainbow_waves (talk | contribs) 20:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Done!

Thank you so much for the reminder! At times I feel like if these weren't hear, the news would never get updated. ^.^
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

-Spectrum is FPC!

^^^
Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 21:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I am starting to wonder if we should announce it a day before the change. The curators are swapped every week, right?
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 23:42, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Yep...

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 23:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. ^.^

Thank you Jvvg for updating S:NEWS!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:44, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not dead, guys.

I haven't forgotten about you guys on the Wiki. It's just this amazing thing called "real life and other priorities" happened!

But don't worry. I'm not dead on the Wiki.

(Wow, it's been two months since I last edited something?)

I'm still here, keeping a silent eye on things. Just lurking in the background making sure things are okay. ;-).
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 19:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Good to hear!
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:29, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads TheHockeyist! Make sure you do what you need to.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:28, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, Nice to see you!
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 04:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Proposal for admins and EWs

Okay, so I've got Grammarly and it's working rather well. I also know good spelling and grammar is key to getting accepted to the scratch wiki. You should copy the account request and paste it into https://app.grammarly.com/ then look on the right. If it comes up with suggestions, something's wrong. Like chrome's spelling and grammar checker, it underlines the text in red if something's been spelt wrong. Additionally, you could reject if it has more than five spelling and grammar mistakes. Of course, that's not required, but you could add that.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, but I don't think we need that at the moment. We read through every account request already and are able to notice any major mistakes. We generally forgive minor mistakes, especially if we don't notice them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Ah. :) I thought it would help.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

13:27, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Have Account Creation Requirements Changed?

I wanted to look at some account requests, and upon refreshing myself on some of the guidelines for joining the Wiki some stuff seemed unfamiliar. https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Wiki:Become_a_contributor

For example, you must use the word "party" in your request. This does not make much sense to me, I can't figure out how somebody can use the word "party" in a mature request. Unless at the end they're like "Yeah, let's party!" Also, it says they need to comment on a project to prove their identity. So how do we go about this? Can't I instead just comment on their profile to confirm their identity, why does it have to be a project?

And also, since some stuff in my memory has faded, if you partially reject a request, does that mean they get a second chance? Do they have to wait to get that second chance or can they submit another request right away? And if you fully reject, how long until they can try again? And are we always required to tell them why they were rejected, or do we just tell them "you were rejected"?

Well, I just noticed this https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Wiki:Become_a_contributor/Admin_Guide which helps a lot, buy my only question is about the "party".
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 17:04, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Wait, you're an EW/admin? xD

For the party part, you're allowed to include it in a sentence, but I'm pretty sure you could just include the word by itself.
Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 18:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Turkey3! We have people include a random word in their account request to prove to us that they read the page. The word periodically (every month or two) changes in order to keep people from just telling other people what the word is (we actually had someone use a word more than a month after we changed it), but it doesn't have to be included as an actual part of the request description. Many requests just say "I would help with ..... by doing..... Party." That is perfectly acceptable, and occasionally users are creative in how they weave it into their requests. We try to use a word that people won't include by accident (in the past we've used "lobster", "ruler", "paper", "bus", etc.) As for partial rejection, we do that when it appears a user has read S:CONTRIB and made a good faith effort to follow its instructions, but still misses something (most often stuff like "I would help with tutorials" but not naming a specific tutorial). In that case, we leave a comment on the user's profile asking them to clarify and if they answer the questions to our satisfaction, we go ahead and accept their request.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

WM changes!

WM has gone a long time without any changes, but there has always been one change I know needed to be made since the beginning: how it detects unsigned posts (or more specifically what constitutes a new post as opposed to editing an existing post), and I finally figured out the answer: if the text added is at the end of the section. I am about to start attempting to implement this, so if anyone gets incorrect notifications from WikiMonitor, I apologize.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

The new algorithm is in place and the tests seemed to work. Please let me know of any bugs!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Can I not sign a post on purpose to test it?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

How dare you question his programming ;)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 11:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Really?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

16:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Please don't. I already made a bunch of edits to perform tests, and I don't want to clog up RC even more. What I'm more worried about are false positives, and for those we just have to wait until they happen.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Aw, okay

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

18:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

New template

What about a welcome template, where it has links to places to teach you things? It could be like this:

😸 Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! 😸

We're glad to have you here! Scratch Wiki is a giant wiki which anyone including you can contribute and edit. With 1,493 articles, 3,708 users, 340,082 edits, and 4,140 files, the Scratch Wiki has been thriving since December 6, 2008. Here's your first stop: the "Welcome" tutorial. Welcome to the Scratch Wiki Learning to edit Learning to format Learning to link Learning to cite Learning how to use talk pages Wrap-up Done with it? Okay, here's more to learn: Frequently Asked Questions Scratch Wiki Guidelines Cheatsheet Help pages Questions? Ask on the Community Portal! Hope you'll make good edits!

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

That does look super nice, albeit the orange shadow underneath the "Welcome to the Scratch Wiki" makes it harder to read the title.

Making the wiki more welcoming is always nice, so I support the suggestion. Jvvg, KrIsMa?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Seems fine to me.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 20:51, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. We just need to make sure it doesn't mess up the format (this has been a recurring issue).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:44, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

I may fix that.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

16:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Shall I make the template?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:30, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I made that!

Well, you have my approval.

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 23:30, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I know. I'm gonna make it a bit different.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

06:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

I talked to some of the admins/EW's, and we seem to have a general consensus that there are too many links in the welcome box. It seems intimidating. Maybe we can remove some?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:08, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. That'll be an idea

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

16:27, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Templates

I have ideas for some templates! I want to make a template saying that the page should be protected. You could also be able to say what level you want the page to be protected at. There should also be one for a FAQ answer so it will be easier to get the grey box for the answer of a question. There should also be one that you should put on duplicate articles saying that you can decide on the page's talk page if you want the page to be deleted or merged with the origanal article.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 23:38, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Just pointing out that the last idea is already covered by Template:Merge, Template:Delete and Template:NotUseful. No comment on the other suggestions.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 09:09, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Already been suggested multiple times: here's one. I don't think it really got much support each time it was suggested. :3

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 19:37, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I think that it would be better than asking someone to protect it.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 20:54, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

You still have to wait for someone to protect it. As such, it doesn't really improve wait times.

Then again, we do have a Template:Delete which isn't very useful. I guess I support.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:49, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Why not? Support

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:34, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

What do you think about the other ones?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 15:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

New article idea: slang

Hi, beep here. I thought it might be a good idea to make an article about slang used on Scratch, such as AMV, MAP, and more. I know I was confused about it for a long time, and I want to make sure future Scratchers (and current ones!) understand these terms when they encounter them.
Beepcat (talk | contribs) 09:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey good idea! Although we already have a page like that: Forum Terminology :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:34, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

There's a less specific one too- Terminology :3

Pianogirl84 ♬ Talk ♬ Contributions 22:55, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I'll check those out.
beepcat (talk | contribs)

Welcome Message Change

Hey y'all, I made some changes to the Welcome Message to make it more age, user, and time-friendly. Here are a list of changes and their reasoning, please let me know if you don't agree with anything or want something changed and we can work it out! :D

• Removed Link to the Scratch Wiki article — If they have an account they should already know what the Wiki is.
• Changed "The welcome tutorial" to "Welcome!" — Fixes capitalization and reduces duplicating words.
• Removed Help pages link — The Help page is linked in the Navigation bar to the left; easy to find on their own.
• Removed S:GUIDES and S:FAQ page links — The S:WELCOME page links to them at the end of the tutorial.
• Changed wording — It just makes sense :P
  

 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  20:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Awesome. :)

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

08:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Skin of the Scratch Wiki

The skin of the homepage of Scratch was changed, But how about the Wiki one?
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 10:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

We're waiting until it's pushed to all pages, as redoing the Wiki skin is a difficult and sometimes painful process, so we want to make sure we're copying the final version.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:46, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Categories need to be Up-To date

On most of the categories, such as the: Merges category, the Useful or Not category, etc, need to be updated. Just checking. --
Malik44 (talk | contribs) 23:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Do you mean the pages in those categories need to be updated? The categories themselves are just applied to pages with the appropriate templates.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm also talking about the other categories that come up on an article to notify the viewer on how the article is undergoing major changes, or it's in need of deletion, etc. If that doesn't make sense, please say that, I know this doesn't make much sense. xD. Thanks! --
Malik44 (talk | contribs) 03:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday

Hello and welcome to the 8th Wiki Wednesday of our history! :D This is the moment where we get to feature an article on the Scratch website, and through it, share knowledge with Scratchers!

Last month we featured the Welcoming Committee article, which has a nice variety of info and some images.

What should we pick for this upcoming month?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Let's try to pick a useful page that doesn't have it in any other languages. Maybe Love-it? It doesn't say that there's a version in any other languages. Maybe I could make a list in my userspace that is a list of articles that don't have it in any other languages.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 16:03, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I checked, there is at least no page about love-its in the German wiki. I think Love-it would be a good choice for Wiki Wednesday September.
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 19:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

That does look like a really nice choice. I'm surprised that it hasn't been used yet. Thank you for the idea Siggy741! It's been nominated. :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

*Ziggy741

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 20:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

How to Join the Welcoming Committee

Take a look a the following discussion from Talk:How to Join the Welcoming Committee:

Could an administrator please reorganize it under "Join the Welcoming Committee"? Thanks.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 19:57, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Even administrators can't edit that page. Only the ST can edit it. I guess we'll either have to contact a ST member or leave it as is.

On that thought... maybe I can contact LiFaytheGoblin. I will do that.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

☁

The above template, {{^}}, has no documentation. Should all templates have documentations? I think so.
P.S. If a documentation is created for {{^}}, an administrator needs to add it because it is protected.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 22:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Huh, that protection level is interesting. I'll at least decrease it to EW+.

Either way, it is best practice for templates to have documentation, although that doesn't mean it will always be useful. In the case of the template that you linked to, it's pretty clear that it does one and only one thing, be a cloud text symbol.

I ended up creating the page. Check out RC.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

New quicklink

Typing an internal link to Wikipedia is a bit long. Following the logic of {{b}}, I created a new template, {{wp}}, that automatically makes a link to Wikipedia.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 01:38, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

External Programs

Should there be a category for pages with {{External Programs}} on it? Perhaps a hidden category named Category:Pages with external links.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 17:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

scratchblocks

FYI I just found all the pages with broken scratch blocks formatting and put it under Category:Pages with Broken Formatting.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, how did you find these pages? Was it just a manual search?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 05:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I gonna fix it
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 02:36, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

French Wiki

Hello everyone! I have some news. Thanks to the efforts of the French contributors over at the Test Wiki, we have decided to create a new separate wiki for them, the French Wiki. Over the next couple of weeks, we will need to translate the wiki skin to French, set up a wiki instance for them, and transfer all French wiki articles to it. Huzzah! :D
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Shall we use pootle?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:28, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

You can expect the people on the French wiki to know French, so the wiki skin doesn't have to be multilingual. The current setup works fine. Thanks for the idea though! It made me think.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:31, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Featured Article

It still says that the featured article is Welcoming Committee. It should be switched to the correct one.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 22:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Huh, I thought that it was already updated. Thank you! It's definitely been updated now.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 21:50, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Urgent

Lego WeDo 2.0 has been released, and a Lego WeDo 2.0 extension has been added to Scratch. All articles regarding Lego WeDo or the Lego WeDo blocks need to be updated and changed to Lego WeDo 1.0. New articles are required for the Lego WeDo 2.0 blocks as well.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 23:55, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice! I'll see if I can help out later.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:44, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Change of "Notice" images.

Hi. I was thinking about changing the note, caution, and warning signs to new files. I would like to have permission to do that first. I would also like some specifications for the images so that I can shrink the images to their proper size without disturbing operation of the wiki. Any opinions about changing the symbols?
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 23:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

The images should just be the same size as the previous ones and still look smooth when scaled down to the sizes used in the templates. Other than that, any image that fits the intended purpose should be fine.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:27, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks!
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 13:14, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I ran into a bit of a problem with the file . The file seems to be set at 18x18. The image resize I did makes it have many pixels. Is there a way I could work around that to set the image to 80x80 pixels (it makes the image more clear), or does that look fine to you? Thanks.
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 13:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Place ascii art in sandbox called as spam?

Here When I paste ascii art in Scratch it was a bad word, But you can do in Wiki? Btw. I did not save page.
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 13:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

ASCII art in the Scratch Wiki sandbox is considered spam, as it doesn't have any value on any mainspace pages, and the purpose of the sandbox is to practice editing for stuff you would put in articles (like links, embedding images, etc.). However, if you put ASCII art in your own sandbox or one of your userpages, it is acceptable as long as it is appropriate and doesn't break formatting.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:17, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

By the way, if you want to avoid ASCII art not having lines breaks when needed, try putting it inside:

<pre></pre>

This makes sure that line breaks are respected and makes the font monospaced.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Category:Old Block Images

Issue: The title isn't descriptive of the contents, and it is a bit scattergorical.
Proposed Solution: Split it into 3 categories, Category:2.0 Development Block Images, Category:1.x Block images (of which Category:1.4 Block Images can be a subcategory), and Category:1.0 Development Block Images.

Also categorize pre-1.0 articles into their own category, Category:Scratch 1.0 Development, and 2.0 development into Category:Scratch 2.0 Development.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 23:48, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

{{Merge}}

Add a reason like in other header templates, particularly {{Move}}. Explain why the page should be merged.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 00:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Where can I find a user home page?

Users like ErnieParke have their own profile pages. Can I please have one?
Adithyansoccer (talk | contribs) 10:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Your profile page is located here, although I see that you already edited it :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

New SDS

"10 Squares" SDS was recently added.
GlassGalaxy (talk | contribs) 23:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 03:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday

It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Moody Monday! Or Wiki Wednesday, I forget which.

This is our 9th Wiki Wednesday. For those of you who are new, Wiki Wednesday is an event where the Scratch wikis pick articles to feature on the front page of the Scratch website. From what I've collected, many people read the featured article.

What article should we pick this time around? Feel free to pitch in! Remember, make sure it has good content, and a few images if possible.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 12:45, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if this has already been done, but I'm quite fond of this page.
Candylanguagegirl (talk | contribs) 11:26, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I like the pages Cloud Data and Current ()... Also while I was trying to find a good page with the Random Page link, twice I got the article about Wiki Wednesday
GlassGalaxy (talk | contribs) 23:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

What a coincidence.

Thank you for the suggestions everyone! Looking at what we have so far, my thoughts are:

Blocks has some interesting information towards the bottom, but the middle and top are a list.

Cloud Data is a really interesting article. I would love to read it myself, but it would not be a good article choice for new Scratchers.

Current () (block) is a light read and has good content.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk Page

How do you post on other people's talk page and respond to comments on the Community Portal? This is the place where you ask questions, right?
-unsigned comment by Scratchtwins-691 (talk | contribs)

This is the place to ask questions. As for how to post and respond, look below for my other responses.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:31, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk

How do you post on peoples Talk Page and respond to someones comment? (Not sure if this already popped up)
Scratchtwins-691 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

You post on a talk page the same way that you posted here. ;)

As for replying, there is one tiny extra step. When you reply, you put some : in front of your reply. This indents it. Usually, it's best to put one more indent then the person above you did.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

For example, I am replying to myself.

Make sense?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Inspection of Article

 Not done I have been waiting inspection of the article, Collab Accounts for about a week now. Can someone look at the article and make sure the edits made are sufficient? (The talk page has more details.) Thanks.
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 23:29, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I like it! I've used collaboration accounts before, but this is a very handy guide. I'm not sure an FaQ is necessary, just clarify any of those points in the article itself. I also noticed that it kind of said "You can do it if you aren't caught." That's true, but again not optimal. :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:17, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Featured Article Is The Old One

It's still Love-it.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 22:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Come on, the article hasn't even been officially featured yet. ;)

Updated.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Font changed in sandbox

I changed the font in [sandbox], cool
Agarraga (talk | contribs) 13:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

It will stay the same after a few hours. Also, please close your tags in messages

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:43, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Ey up

We have a runaway an unprotected archive. https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive_63

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

20:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

How that could be? We would never make a mistake like that! We've been running this Wiki perfectly with no mistakes for years! (I just protected it).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I just went through all the archives and found no unprotected archives.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

08:27, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

FPC

Fuzzbutt is the new FPC.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Updated! Also, thank you! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 21:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

There Is A New FPC

ForeverArtist is the new FPC.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 22:24, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:51, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 02:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)