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Can we please stop making fun of Kaj?

Yes, what Kaj did was bad, and it is important that users can know the story in case it comes up. However, documenting that is the extent to which we should be talking about Kaj. If you look at the April Fools article, we are completely ridiculing this user. While I do not support unbanning Kaj, I do think we should at least respect all users, even those who have been banned. After all, we want to be the better people, right? Anyway, Kaj (according to the article here) joined in 2008. That's 7 years ago. A lot can happen in 7 years. I can tell you right now that I was a very different person 7 years ago. Kaj has probably matured significantly and wouldn't do that anymore. Now imagine his/her surprise (and rightful outrage) when coming back and finding a mocking page on the Wiki? In keeping with the Scratch Community Guidelines (the first item, "Be Respectful"), I propose that we delete the April Fools article on Kaj and any derivative articles. We all need to grow up and let the past stay in the past.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I completely agree with that, but I'm not sure if it's really a big deal, as it's a nickname and the person never revealed private information such as their name.
Tcodina™ user | talk | contribs | edits

Kaj may be a nickname, but we are still ridiculing a real person.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't even know the story of Kaj. Perhaps that's a good thing?
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 01:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

The story is pretty much this: Kaj was a Scratcher who threatened to hack people in order to get more attention. Some users later have said they were Kaj and were going to hack other users. That's about the extent to which people need to know about Kaj and we shouldn't really put any more about Kaj on the Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:28, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm neutral about this. I doubt Kaj wouldn't return and find mock.

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 13:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ If that's all there is to the Kaj story, why put it out there at all? I mean, so Kaj messed up. How long ago was that? Let it go... We have to think to about who would come to the wiki to learn about Kaj? I don't know. Also, do we want to teach younger scratchers how to make fun of other users? I think some of them are too good at that already. My opinion - I think some changes should be made there... ~Ron
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I am going to delete the April Fools' article and all other pages that solely exist to make fun of Kaj.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good!
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Full support. Why are we clinging to the past? The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, and yet we still have negative connotations of it (although relations improved until its collapse). Times change. We need to stop living in the past.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 20:28, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Not to bring in politics, but Obama just stopped looking into the past by reopening the embassies in Cuba.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. But as Paddle2See pointed out, the idea was to make fun of people trying to scare people by pretending to be Kaj.
Srevilo (talk | contribs) 21:39, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I am (Not Really) Back

I kind of just want to look over some stuff on the wiki. Do exactly what I used to do before I left. If I break a rule (because I probably forgot), just politely notify me on my talk page. Thanks and I'm happy to be back!
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, who are the admins and EW's again?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:27, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back! Currently, the active admins are ErnieParke and I, while the only active EW is KrIsMa. Mathfreak231 and Scimonster are also admins, and Turkey3 is also an EW, but they aren't on very frequently.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Why isn't there another election for, moving you and ErnieParke up to Beurocrat status, move KrIsMa up to admin, and elect 2 more EW's? I'm sure it's hard to answer all the applications and run things between the 3 of you :)  St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  19:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks jvvg. I remember I almost got voted EW. That was a tight election for the second spot. Now turkey doesn't even use his EW status.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:25, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

We actually considered having a similar election for bureaucrats right after the last EW election, but scmb1 said she didn't really want to add bureaucrats. We also are currently able to handle everything. We generally only get a few (1-5) requests per day, and usually 50% of them can be rejected immediately (i.e. the ones that make it on our Tumblr blog). In terms of managing things here, we actually don't have as many duties as you would think, as most stuff can be handled by anybody. We're able to manage.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I remember when people (including me) were asking to be EW's and you guys are like, we don't even use our powers that much.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:00, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ That is actually true. I delete pages every two or three days (on average, not counting mass deletes). I also hardly ever protect stuff. The power I really use the most often is just the fact that some people (especially new users) tend to view admin messages as carrying more weight when helping people learn the ropes of the Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

On this wiki, you guys are basically users. All you guys do (on a regular absis) that we can't do is protect and delete pages.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:26, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back! I'm just back myself!
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:47, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi -PRO-! welcome back!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi -PRO- and Amateurradiogeek! Welcome back to the Scratch Wiki!

-PRO-: Admins also process account requests and update the news, but that's about right.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 14:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I jiust needed to know who I need to contact if I need something done.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

forum discussion glitch

I don't know if it is just me, but some long discussions cut off the page like this:
Thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that happens to me too. It only seems to happen on some messages, though...
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

When jvvg posted that, it just adds a side scroll bar for me.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't even get a scroll bar. It just cuts off and I cannot see the text unless I go to Inspect Element or click to edit the page. (Chrome user here)
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:26, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Odd. The same thing is happening to me on my end (iPad mini 2).
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Happening here too, I'm on ChromeOS.
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 00:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

It's happening to me as well on Google Chrome on a Mac. This is weird. WEIRD. WEIRD.
Srevilo (talk | contribs) 06:10, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Where do JSON editing tutorials go?

I know how to edit the JSON to do things like add a dropdown to a custom block, and combine blocks that wouldn't normally go together. Since I couldn't find pages on how to do this, I decided to make them. However, the only page on JSON editing is JSON Tutorial, and there's no special category for it.

Where would I put these pages? Do I put them in the Scratch Program Tutorials category, do I create a new category for them, or do I just edit the JSON Tutorial page?

Tymewalk (talk | contribs) 17:26, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Since JSON Tutorial is in the Scratch Program category, I think it would be safe to put any new JSON tutorials in that category.

As for where to place them, I think adding onto JSON Tutorial would be good.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:26, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

OK. But should I create new pages for the more advanced things (like combining blocks), or just add those as part of the JSON Tutorial page?
Tymewalk (talk | contribs) 20:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

You can try adding them to the JSON Tutorial page. If the page gets large enough, I think then maybe we could split the page.

I'm basing my thoughts off of Squeak Tutorial if it helps.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to be out for the next two weeks

I am going to a running camp for the next two weeks, so I'm not really going to be very active. I will have a tablet, but I will have very limited internet access. I'll check in as much as possible, but probably won't really be able to say that much. In addition, since I won't have access to WikiMonitor, I can't guarantee that it will keep working the whole time.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Have fun at your running camp!
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

See you later!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:43, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Bye!!!

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 05:55, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Time for an archive?

This is the 48th topic xD I think it may be time for an archive :)
 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  06:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe.

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 11:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree, a lot of the questions here have already been resolved.

Tymewalk (talk | contribs) 15:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll look into it when I finish my lunch. Thanks for the heads up @St19_Galla!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:25, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Support.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 23:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Debating...New article, change an old one, or nothing at all?

Yeah I'm bringing this back again. Last time we were deciding on this but nothing really happened so I'm bringing it back again. Its for the Scratch Mentoring Committee which goes around looking for people to mentor. :). The newest thing which has happened which may change your perspective is that now we are more connected to the welcoming committee. We have a link in the description of the welcoming committee and we go there a lot to find new scratchers to mentor :).
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Not Related to the above I'm also going to ask the general opinion of a page about "The Shop Directory" a stickied forum supported by the scratch team that has been around more ages. :). Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Is your collaboration "a few of the most successful collaborations"? If so, we could add it to Collaboration_(group)#Example_Collaborations.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you mind opening a new discussion for the Shop Directory? It's getting a bit confusing, thanks!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll leave it up to Makethebrainhappy to make the new discussion.

Anyway, on the topic of The Shop Directory, we have only one topic about a forum topic: ITopic:Welcome to Your Local Block Library!

Considering "The Shop Directory", there have been a few threads on Scratch around for longer then that. The Idea Shop, and the [scratchblocks] OFFICIAL testing topic for example. Also, many topics have been stickied by the Scratch Team (i.e. the testing topic). Yet none of those topics (ignoring the Local Block Library) are in the Scratch Wiki. If we were to add The Shop Directory (new article, or adding to an existing one), then we would have to add other topics as well about other forum topics. Just a few thoughts.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure I'll open up a new thing for the shop directory! The Mentoring Committee is creative and unique and is one of the biggest forums in the "New Scratchers" forum. Its different than other collaborations and is one of the biggest forums in the scratch mentoring committee. I own some collaborations which could be more successful but done of them are like that (excluding the new feedback committee). Am I allowed to start making changes?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

How, a collaboration works. Hmm, this studio seems to fit that. Go ahead and edit that page.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Here it is http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Collaboration_(group)#The_Scratch_Mentoring_Committee I'm not sure exactly if its perfect, this is one of my first edits on a wiki page :).
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:15, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

If we were to add the Shop Directory, I think it would be appropriate to add the other stickied topics. Maybe we could just have a subsection under http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Sticky:#Sticky on each stickied topic.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 07:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Just curious... Was a final decision ever made?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 23:34, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I don't think so. A list of stickies sounds nice since they are important-ish, but maybe to keep things organized, maybe they could instead be listed in their forum category page? Like Announcements (forum)?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

That seems fair. I'll try and work on that, but help would be greatly appreciated.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 02:18, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

The Shop Directory

I'm going to ask the general opinion of a page about "The Shop Directory" a stickied forum supported by the scratch team that has been around more ages. :). Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, on the topic of The Shop Directory, we have only one topic about a forum topic: ITopic:Welcome to Your Local Block Library!

Considering "The Shop Directory", there have been a few threads on Scratch around for longer then that. The Idea Shop, and the [scratchblocks] OFFICIAL testing topic for example. Also, many topics have been stickied by the Scratch Team (i.e. the testing topic). Yet none of those topics (ignoring the Local Block Library) are in the Scratch Wiki. If we were to add The Shop Directory (new article, or adding to an existing one), then we would have to add other topics as well about other forum topics. Just a few thoughts.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I copy pasted that and formatted the response. I hope I did it correctly. So we do have a wiki page on a forum thread. I'm not going to base a case off of that fact though. Every separate section of the forums (ex. Collaborations, Requests) has there own wiki page, so I think each stickied forum should get a section for them under there forum type. Like on the requests wiki page you have a section called "Stickied Forums". It would have each stickied forum and explains what it does and the purpose of it. You could include a link to it and who runs it. I think that would be a good compromise to the solution.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Now I have another idea for the requests wiki page that goes like this. The most successful shops could get a little mention on it so that people can have examples of shops. We could also put the Idea Shop there. Its a shop in all respects except located in the idea forum so we'd have to put a note on that. Or we could put a mention in the ideas wiki page. (Idea Shop).
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Apparently the blocks library changed Scratch (Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive_22#Squeak_tutorial), but did this?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:40, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah...
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Physical change? I don't think that adding this topic is needed, or if we do we would need to add all of them. Maybe an example to an existing page? --You know what I am thinking now? We need to stop it somewhere. Maybe the individual forums are nice, but it doesn't change much. Stickied topics do. I think topics that physically change Scratch are ones worthy of being on the Wiki. Even the discussion to make the itopic:welcome to the block library was spontaneous and haphazard.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

If we were to add the Shop Directory, I think it would be appropriate to add the other stickied topics. Maybe we could just have a subsection under http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Sticky:#Sticky on each stickied topic.

Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 07:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I just made a topic on stickies. Do you think we should add each individual sticky? I don't think that's necessary. At the moment there's just a section about stickies in a particular forum section. What do you think? Perhaps we could add the shop directory in there as an example of a sticky?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 05:07, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know... Does anyone else have an opinion on the matter?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 19:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm back, what's been happening?

I haven't been here in months and I don't know what big changes have been made and if anything major needs editing. Anything going on?
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 23:35, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind if I moved your topic from === to ==. Anyway, not much. jvvg is on vacation, we got a few new members, the usual. I'd say reading the CP would be helpful if you want to figure out what's happening right now.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Oops- I'm very sorry about that, and I did read the portal, I was just wondering if there was anything big article wise going on.
Icey29 (talk | contribs)

It's okay, whatever you're sorry about.

Anyway, yes, there will be one big thing going on soon. Bigger then article wise. Scmb1 recently requested that the Scratch Wiki make transcriptions of the Introductory Video Tutorials. We got that done a few days ago, but now Scmb1 asked if we could do the same thing for the Pain Editor Tutorials. It would be helpful if other WIkians could chip in.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh, awesome! I'll be sure to check it out
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 13:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Video Transcriptions (Part 2)

 Not done
Now that we've finished the video transcriptions for the introductory videos, Scmb1 has requested that we make video transcriptions for the paint editor tutorials (seen here: link). I know KrIsMa and I will be working on these new video transcriptions, but it would be nice if we could get help. Remember that Video Tutorials now needs updating too. Thanks!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Transcriptions as in captions?
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 13:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I guess that's what scmb1 meant.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:20, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Alternatives to the Paint Editor

I found the Wiki article Alternatives to the Paint Editor recently, and noticed that there are no websites listed. Would it be appropriate to add a section titled "Websites" like there is a section labeled "Apps", or should there be a subsection under "Vector" and "Bitmap" for apps, websites, and downloadable software? I would like to add Sumo Paint, but am not sure where to. I am rewriting the article in my sandbox before changing the actual article. Thanks for your help!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 21:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding website-based paint editors sounds nice. I think it would be more organized if you put "Websites" in as multiple subsections (for bitmap & vector). Maybe you could add in another section about bitmap & vector editors (e.g. Sketch Club)?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:14, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe Vinci should be added too since it's HTML5-based and I use it a lot for drawing on the iPad. ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 00:52, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I updated the article some. Thoughts? And what do you mean by "Maybe you could add in another section about bitmap & vector editors (e.g. Sketch Club)?" I can look up Vinci and add some info on it too.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 05:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

It appears that some paint editors can work in both vector and bitmap, so I was suggesting, like how there is a "Bitmap/Raster" and "Vector" section to the alternatives page, maybe there could be a "Both" section as well?

Anyway, your sandbox version looks good!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay. I'll add that. Good suggestion. Anything else?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 18:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm not sure where these should be listed...

• Tayasui Sketches is a virtual canvas for sketches, which includes oil pastel and watercolors. Also, images can be exported through "pro export" into an iCloud drive or a photo library. Supports layers and transparency. This app is completely free, but there is a pro version upgrade for $4.99.
• Inspire Pro Free features "breathtaking blending effects" and great precision at a fast speed. It has some special paint settings, such as glaze, random size and scatter. It also supports a pressure sensitive stylus! The pro version costs $9.99.

I tried looking them up, but I can't find anything. Does anyone know where they should be listed (i.e. under bitmap/raster, vector, or bitmap/raster and vector?)
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 19:00, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Here, [1] and [2] although it might be available in only one country?

Also, I think it looks fine as it is (no need to further separate them into vector/bitmap) :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I can't seem to find if they are vector or bitmap. Does anyone else know?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 20:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Text-shadow in signatures

..it may make it confusing to read or make text below it a bit hard to read. What do you guys think?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:18, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Full ban.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 03:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

But it makes it nice!

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 04:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Anyone else?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I am against them, full ban as per TheHockeyist.
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 05:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

;_;

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 14:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Then it's put into place. I'll add it to "custom signatures".

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Editing Other User Pages

Would it be appropriate to allow someone else to edit a sub page of a user page? If I were to say that User:ExampleUser can edit User:Purplebook163/Example, would that be okay? Is it completely banned for anyone to edit any user page other than their own no matter what? What are the rules concerning that? Thanks!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 06:24, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

As long as you give permission that someone or anyone can edit your subpage (preferably somewhere easy to see), then it should be fine. This is what User:KrIsMa does on a few of their pages.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thanks!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 18:40, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Japanese Wiki Interwiki

Hello! The Japanese Scratch Wiki is moving and making great progress. We already have interwiki to the Japanese in the DACH, Russian and Indonesian Wiki. I suggest adding interwiki to the english Wiki too now! (The URL: http://jp.scratch-wiki.info/ )- LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 12:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey, you might want to ask User:scmb1 for the fastest reply - she is the one in charge of the interwikis :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:45, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Awesome!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 18:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I added it, let me know if it works.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 18:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

It works, thank you! LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 19:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Can someone who has the permission to edit the front page please add [[ja:メインページ]]! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 10:06, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Done!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Great! thanks a lot! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 19:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

The Scratch Wiki Home Page

I've noticed that the featured article on the homepage has never changed (at least in the 8 months I've been on Scratch). Is this because the Scratch Team is the most important article on the Wiki, or does it just not get changed? Just curious. I think it would be fun if it changed every two weeks or something like that.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 05:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome to suggest one :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay! Thanks.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 06:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

HTML on the Wiki

Does all HTML work on the Wiki? Just curious.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 05:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes and no; it only supports some tags, see Help:HTML for more help.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:35, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Otherwise peoples could put viruses and or other harmful material on the wiki :P (thankfully not)
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 06:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I was trying to see if I could embed music, videos, pictures, etc. and any other useful stuff. I'll go check out the link!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 06:49, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Shops on the Forums

I recently noticed that many Scratchers (often the newer ones who haven't been to the forums yet) don't know what a shop is and are usually very confused at the concept. So, I set out to find an article on the topic. I did notice however that "Shop" redirects to a protected page maintained by the ST, and consists of a real world shop to buys books and technology related to Scratch. That was the only reference to anything related to a shop on the forums (studio, project, user, etc.) I could find. Is there somewhere I'm not looking? Is there a reason there isn't an article? Should there be an article? I'm going to be writing a draft here. Thanks for answering my endless questions!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 05:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Are there more concepts on the forums, such as shops? If so, we can add it to Scratch Discussion Forums as a separate header. Although, this is a nice question. Maybe wait until someone replies!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:43, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe make another section on the Requests Forum article focusing on shops?
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 06:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I think adding it to the Requests forum is a good idea, but there are Idea Shops in the Idea forum, so that wouldn't quite work. As far as I know, the only other concepts (necroposting, spamming, etc.) on the forums are covered in Wiki articles.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 06:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Rumanti: Shops aren't restricted to the requests forum. The requests forum just happens to be where most shops are most relevantly located. For example, The Scripts Workshop (the forum shop, not the scripts team studio) is in the "Help with Scripts" forum.

@KrIsMa: I agree, a section in Scratch Discussion Forums sounds best.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the help everyone!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 21:46, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Start Making Scratch Extensions tutorial

I am thinking of making a Scratch Extensions tutorial for the Scratch Wiki (includes necessary knowledge, where to start, setting up GitHub for extensions, etc, not step-by-step) Is it appropriate for the Scratch Wiki? If yes, which category? Also, as I said, I am not going to include step by step, because this is a coding tutorial intended for peoples who are ready to explore independently..
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 06:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it should be appropriate.

As for category, maybe we could make a new category called "JSON Tutorials" ? We have one called "Squeak Tutorials" for Scratch 1.4.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Awesome, I'll start editing my sandbox right away!
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 12:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Updating Two Images

File:Scratch_Discussion_Forums.png and File:Sig_Change.png need updated. I can do the last image, but I don't think I am able to do the first image. It was originally uploaded by Veggieman001, so maybe she would want to do it? I don't know. Anyway, the very bottom is the only thing that has changed; the current version of the discussion forums does not have a line stating how many users are online. Other than that, there is no difference. I think it is worth the change because New Scratchers could get easily confused when they saw the picture and couldn't find that line on the actual page. Is there anyone who can do the first image?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 22:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Good call. I'm replacing the forum image right now.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:13, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Did you update both, or just the one?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 02:10, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I only updated the full forum image. I thought you would update the change signature picture?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:37, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Will do!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 16:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

New Curator!

That's what my phone just told me. The new curator is mundofinkyenglish.
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 00:09, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Done!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

More "fun" with S:CONTRIB

I recently got a string of poorly written requests that nevertheless specifically mentioned S:CONTRIB in them. Here are some examples:

“	I would share ideas with scratchers and new-scratchers. I will always update my wiki every two days. I will tell people how to use scratch and make them enjoy it as much as i do. i will help the wiki by updating the pages (i have never had a wiki account before so I don't know what will happen)i read the notes like it said for me to do.	”
– Request #1

“	I would like to become a contributor because I want to give specific ways to other scratchers on how to program in a much easier way (i read the rules/notes)	”
– Request #2

“	i want to give people ideas for projects and help them with coding. I will be on all the time and i will not be rude. I always wanted to be a wiki owner, to help people. I cant belive it might come true. I read the notes all of them!	”
– Request #3

There are more, but I think these are representative examples. In these requests, none of them mention anything even resembling a specific article, though the page they all claim to have read says that you need to name specific articles. They also all have the word "I" lowercase in some parts (I just noticed that), though we clearly ask for proper spelling/grammar. Furthermore, request #2 actually has an enumerated violation ("give specific ways to other scratchers on how to program...", and S:CONTRIB says "Do NOT...Only say you want to give back to the community, share knowledge, etc. - specifically explain some knowledge")). Request #3 also is centered around such a violation, as it says "i want to give people ideas for projects", while S:CONTRIB says "Do NOT...Intend to use this as a place to submit ideas".

I did add another little "trap" to the page (while keeping the original one there so they think they found it), so we'll see how that goes. However, this still brings up the problem of the fact that people are just doing the minimum possible to get accounts. The most important part of the Wiki is reading, not writing. That's part of the point of the account request process - to make sure people are willing to read and not just jump right in. However, it seems that the vast majority of the community simply reads the minimum possible and then ignores the rest, which can cause major problems. I've seen plenty of duplicate articles or people repeating stuff in discussions as a result of this (some of it from me, sadly).

After saying all that, I would like to finish with this: please read something entirely before editing, criticizing, or responding to it. I don't just mean here, but in everything you do. This will put you above probably 90% of other people with whom you talk. However, more specific to the Wiki, read an entire article before you edit it or take part in any discussions about it. Also, search thoroughly before creating articles so we don't have duplicates and read the guidelines completely if you haven't before. This will effect a much better community and higher-quality Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:27, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Wow, very nice post. Also, what ever happened to the blog that had all the silly requests? I think it was on tumblr and linked from a profile.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 16:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Found it!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 16:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Haha your new trap :P I want to see how many people will get past it xD I wish there was a way to read my old submission. Is there?
 St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  02:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I can pull it up. Do you want me to post it here?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Skin update

Hey y'all! :) I updated the skin to more closely resemble the main Scratch site. Lemme know if you notice any problems!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 20:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Scmb1 for updating the skin! There are no problems on my end.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

It works fine for me.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice skin! But I guess you accidentally switch the "Help" with the "About" tab in the navigation bar? Or was it supposed to be like that? The search bar is also longer (and better)
Really_A (talk | contribs) 04:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

As per Really_A. Whoever thought the About tab was a good idea... No. It's driving me crazy.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 22:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

New curator

It's Really_A! Just saw her!
♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 20:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

 Updated
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

about the header

[3] do you guys think that it would be a good idea if I commented it rather than putting a template on it?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I personally think that would be a better idea, as only Wiki members really need to see that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

It could be helpful for Scratchers wishing to join though. We don't want people thinking that you can add a bunch of pages on Scratchers or projects.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it's good for it to be there. Anyone can go read the guidelines about what can and can't be written here. If they were to see that article iwthout the template and know the rules, it could be a big fuss over nothing. I say we leave it there. It can't hurt anything for it to be there, right?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

You make a good point. However, it could confuse users who aren't familiar with the guidelines. Also, all of the other notices that go on pages either relate directly to the content of the page (e.g. {{unreleased}}, {{obsolete feature}}) or are temporary and instruct users how to edit the page (e.g. {{inaccurate}}, {{In Progress}}, {{NotUseful}}, etc.). None of those templates are permanent and are just informative about the article in the context of the Wiki (i.e. not related to the content of the article itself).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

A suggestion

There should be a way to upload OGG files here.
♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 15:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

What for?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

So we can show music files such as a cat meowing on the Scratch Cat page.

♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 18:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

How necessary is it to do that, though?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll play devil's advocate here.

The ogg file format is a high detail container(?) allowing for audio, video, or both.

Although cliché, supporting sound might be useful for articles like Sound, Sound File Format, a few different Sound Block pages, Instrument, MIDI Notes, maybe Sound Editor, maybe Sprite (because of the default sound each sprite has), and anything else with a notable Scratch sound. Allowing the support of audio could make some articles more informative.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Certainly.
♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 02:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Per Ernie.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:48, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Per KrIsMa which means per Ernie which means per PrincessPandaLover *cough cough*
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 09:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Some articles would definitely benefit from this, that's for sure. Overall though, I don't know if it's worth it.
Rollercoasterfan (talk | contribs) 03:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Support for this idea.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I support. It'd also be nice to add background music to user pages.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 20:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Did you guys consider making a pull request? scmb1 said it was the best thing to do!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

This involves modifying LocalSettings.php, which isn't on Github, so a pull request isn't really an option. Also, background music would actually require significant changes to the software (i.e. developing an extension), which would require someone to code it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 03:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

The Featured Projects Article

I think it needs some updating. Shouldn't there be a section that says how to suggest a project to be featured (the topic)? Where should that go?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 20:39, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Isn't there already a section called "Recommendations" on how to suggest a project to be featured?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:56, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Oops... I did a quick look and didn't see it. Sorry!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 01:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

New Curator

The new curator starting Monday is TurtleTakeover, whenever you're ready to update the front page.
Rollercoasterfan (talk | contribs) 20:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Could you please remind me on Monday? I'll probably forget by then. :P
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

:P Okay.
Rollercoasterfan (talk | contribs) 22:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

It's started now.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 21:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcoming Comittee

Since the Welcoming Comittee is greatly sponsored by the ST and linked often, why doesn't it have an article? Does it have a subheading somewhere? Was it decided at some point that the Welcoming Comittee wasn't important enough? I'd be willing to work on an article for it, I just want to know that it'd be okay and/or doesn't already exist.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 21:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

You spelt committee wrong :P. The article is here.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. It's a strangely spelled word.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

New curator

mini-macaron is starting after TurtleTakeover next Monday. Just giving you a reminder in advance ;).
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 11:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

So, the 31st?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 03:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

No they've started now. On the 31st @faryal228 will be curating.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Scripts team

Do you think it would be acceptable to make an article on the Scripts Team? I can't find one ATM.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 11:44, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

No it was removed for a reason. That reason being that it doesn't exist anymore
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:58, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it would be okay, given the page has a template saying that the page is only for historical purposes. (I can't recall the template name at the moment...)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I tried looking for the template, but couldn't find it. Maybe you'll have better luck.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 18:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

OK I'll get started on it! By the way the template is {{obsolete feature}} if you ever need it.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 21:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Looking back I believe that there is the old scripts team page if you could ever recover that...
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Video Transcriptions- Small Mistake, Page needs Moved

The video "Make Your Sprite Move Forward", is titled "Make Your Sprite Move Forwards". It should be titled "Make Your Sprite Move Forward". Can someone please move the page and leave a redirect? The only errors regarding that video are on the video transcription page.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 00:51, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It has been changed!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:03, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. I would've done it myself, but I'm not sure how to use all of those buttons.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 02:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

My own project on an April Fools Page.

I wanted to add one of my own projects to User:jvvg/AF/Gobo and User:jvvg/AF/Lag, but in the rules it say you cannot advertise. I am not advertising it, just using it as part of the April Fools page. Is that allowed, because I do not want to get banned for a "false positive"?
BF10 (talk | contribs) 16:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

You'll be fine if you put it on an AF page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

OK.

BF10 (talk | contribs) 16:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Wiki translation

Hello there, I was just wondering if somebody could ask over here if I could be added as a Spanish Wiki contributor as well? Since I am permanently banned from the website I am not able to post there, but I'd be interested on helping translate the Wiki to Spanish. Thanks in advance! :)
Tcodina (talk | contribs) 10:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure! I'm really excited about this whole international wikis thing! (Hungarian wiki is coming :D)
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 12:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm assuming you just linked to the traslate the wiki to your native language topic. I'll take a look tomorrow at the thread.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Found a Scratch Website bug but doesn't seem to be a page to add it

Yes, a lot of users on the Scratch website found a glitch when commenting "🍪 🍪", but there seems to be no page to document it. Where can I do so at?

BF10 (talk | contribs) 15:37, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Unless it is extremely notable, then it's not allowed at all. Check here for more details.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 21:19, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. I noticed it, but why would you ever need to comment that? If it gave that whenever you typed the letter e, that's different, but it's not that case.

I say we don't worry about it.
Rollercoasterfan (talk | contribs) 21:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Rollercoasterfan.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 21:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree as well. It's definitely not notable.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 23:58, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Image that Needs Updated

File:Strings in action.png needs updated. Could anyone do it?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 01:12, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

 Doing...

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 05:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Yet another image that needs updated

File:Blue_Bar.png needs updated. Can anyone do it?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 19:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I could, but it requires for log in in order to show the About, and I don't want it to show my account and I don't want to blur it because it will mess it up.

BF10 (talk | contribs) 23:32, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, let me try this again.  Doing...

BF10 (talk | contribs) 23:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

 Failed. It did not do anything but extended the bar.

BF10 (talk | contribs) 23:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, my cache did not erase fully.

BF10 (talk | contribs) 23:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I would like some feedback and answers to some questions

I just created User:Purplebook163/Articles_That_Need_Edited. It contains links to categories/pages that you can use to find articles that need editing, as well as tips on what to look for when editing.

Is there an existing page like this? Should there be an official page under Help like this?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 20:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

That looks about right, and no, there isn't an official page minus the Scratch_Wiki:To-do page. Maybe the to do page could be expanded with some of your page ideas/suggestions?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd be fine with that. Personally, I'd like to see Scratch_Wiki:To-do expanded and active, that way we're all in the loop with what needs done. Do you have any suggestions/preferences on where the ideas/suggestions from my page should be added?
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 20:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

^^ totally correct! an update would be awesome!!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I just created a sandbox that I will be using to create a draft of an updated version of Scratch Wiki:To-do. All Wiki Editors are welcome (and encouraged) to edit it.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 21:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles about past versions

Category:Articles about past versions only contains 1.4. Are there any articles on 1.3 (or beyond)? Shouldn't there be? Should we make 1.4 a sub category? That way when the time comes we could add 2.0 (1.3, and so on) as past versions.
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 20:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Scratch (the program and the website) didn't change much between versions 1.0 and 1.4, so it's not surprising that there aren't any articles of Scratch 1.0-1.4.

Also, back before Scratch 2.0, articles were updated, and (I think) generally not archived for previous versions. Leaving articles for historical purposes only really became a practice with the switch to Scratch 2.0. Those facts probably helped with the lack of articles written solely for versions 1.3 and lower.

On that note, maybe List of Obsolete Blocks should be in that category?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for the answer!
Purplebook163 (talk | contribs) 00:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

deleting unused userpages w/o talkpages now

Please excuse the mass delete - they are talk pages that exist without a userpage]. thanks! (with aid of voxbot)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

first step - finding those pages, may take up to 30 minutes

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

second - delete xd

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

ill continue tomorrow.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

done

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Custom Titles

I see certain pages that have been customized. See User:jvvg/AF and Followers have been italized. How's that possible?
BF10 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

That uses the DISPLAYTITLE feature. See Help:Magic words#Variables and look for that for more information.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

If you mean http://i57.tinypic.com/33papzt.png it just means that it's a link to a redirect (if that is what you mean)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Time for an archive?

This is the 49th section, and a lot of the messages have already been resolved. I think it's time for an archive.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:17, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

The page length is about 66,000 bytes. I'll try doing this after a bit of HW. Thank you for the heads up!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks!
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Ops... I'll just do it when I get on my laptop. :/
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 10:43, 10 September 2015 (UTC)