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Article: Scratch's Effect on the World
I think we should all team up and work on a major article on how Scratch has affected this world more specifically the world of programming since it's release. We could scavenger hunt the Internet for Scratch mods and someone could design in Photoshop an image of Scratch and all the languages that branch off it, including mods, Snap, and Stencyl even. Then we could add sort of biographies or interviews with people who Scratch has affected greatly in life, and have them in the article. We can find statistics and such things that support how Scratch has helped the world! Like this innovative idea that I came up with after my recent vanishing?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- interview me! scratch started my program love!!!! ;) sure i love the idea!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wooot! I loved the idea! I saw that Scratch's concept is really inspiring. :These, Stencyl, Tynker, Code.Org, etc used the concept and credited "MIT :Scratch". There's also MIT app inventor, although is also created by MIT, might :have been related to Scratch. I vote yes!
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 11:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, yes. Just make sure it's all well referenced.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- @jvvg same :) we have some great people to interview here!
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- I totally agree with Jvvg. Except I was in 6th grade. This gives me an idea to write a article/speech on how Scratch changed my life! We should all do that!
- Everyone write an essay about how Scratch changed their life! Then we can send it to the ST!
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- @-PRO-: I've already done that for an English class. ;) (Minus the sending to ST half.)
- @Turkey3: That sounds like a really nice idea! It'd have to be well referenced like Sci said above, but it would be lots of fun to have too.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
also, we should start a page outline, such as testimonials first, then body of text about how it changed the world, then actual speeches.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Edit conflicted.
- @KrIsMa: I think it would be fun to do, but also a bit biased since the quotes would only be from Wikians.
- Anyway, would you mind if I posted a 5 page story about one of my Scratch experiences? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:24, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
speech applications
ok now anyone can add their speeches! after this, we can quote/add speeches into the paragraph! [1] here is how to access the responses, [2] i have also sent a message to the st about if i can sticky the link on the forums. thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- First post! :P
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Ernest Parke 6:18 PM Hi Krett! me 6:19 PM Do you own this document? You look like ErnieParke Ernest Parke 6:19 PM No I don't, KrIsMa is. (And I am ErnieParke! ;) )
- KrIsMa owns the document
me 6:19 PM Who is scratchblockprogramming? Ernest Parke 6:20 PM Wait, Google turns smileys 90 degrees? (I think that's KrIsMa.) me 6:20 PM Hum, okay. Let me get KrIsMa, and maybe we should ask the ST to feature this, hold on a second Ernest Parke 6:20 PM Who do you think the anonymous narwhale and ibex are? me 6:21 PM I see a sheep, no "ibex" over here, maybe the ibex is me :D Ernest Parke 6:21 PM It would be nice if you were the ibex! :D (Good idea about the feature! Although I think an announcement would be better.( me 6:22 PM Nope, it's not on the forums. Maybe, we should use the Contact Us feature on the main site, and then we would, um, post a forum topic about it, ask the Scratch Team to move it to announcements. Ernest Parke 6:22 PM I'm actually a Scratch Mentor, so if this idea gets enough support, I could propose the idea directly to the Scratch Team themselves in the Scratch Mentor forums. me 6:23 PM They are kind of known for going nuts over the smallest things Yeah I know you're a mentor I just didn't think of that But what does the ST check more, their email or the forums? I can't see either. Ernest Parke 6:23 PM But then those small things are important. It's always good to consider everything! As for which they check more... me 6:24 PM I assume you'll leave another message now Sorry to bother you but I am impatient I need to work on that Ernest Parke 6:25 PM I think it'd be best to do a forum post because with an email, only one ST member is likely to see the request, but with the Scratch Mentor forum, a few (including other Scratch Mentors) are bound to see the request. It's okay @Krett12! me 6:25 PM That doesn't work on Google Chat Ernest Parke 6:25 PM I know. I just like to add in the @. me 6:26 PM So maybe we should start a speech on Scratch Wiki namespace So we can all work on it, not just you Then when we are done, you can post it in the special forum.... And maybe I can post the topic maybe? Or, maybe better yet..... Actually, NVM that was a bad idea Alright, I will C&P this chat onto the Wiki
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- oh thanks! can i get the link to the google doc? sorry it might be easier to see there ;)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- @KrIsMa: Nope, I'm not the narwhal, and Krett12 was the ibex. I've already guessed you were Scratchblocksprogramming, which means jvvg was probably the narwhale.
- As for the narrative, I find it rusty at places, but I'm still glad that you really liked it! Personally, the mix of fiction and nonfiction is my favorite part of it. :)
- @Krett12/Everyone Else: I just want to throw it out there that *if* I post this in the Scratch Mentor forum, I'd like to hear more opinions first.
- @KrIsMa new post: The discussion was in your google document. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wiki_Interviews, the Scratch account is MINE! We can use it for our project Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wiki_Interviews, the Scratch account is MINE! We can use it for our project
wait are we going to do both speech and interview, interview only or speech only? both are just going to be used in the "testimonials" section of the "How scratch changed the world" article. I feel like docs is fine because in interviews, the first question we are going to ask is going to be
'how did scratch change your life', which is covered in the speech already. ;)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- No trust me, we will start out with different questions? Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'd still like to use KrIsMa's speech system, but interviews sound nice as well. Maybe we could offer both options for a bit more diversity? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'd still like to use KrIsMa's speech system, but interviews sound nice as well. Maybe we could offer both options for a bit more diversity?
speech or interview or both
i believe both have different things to offer, both interview and speech, so let's allow others to respond ;) current question? speech only, interview only, or both?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- I believe interview only, but definitely not both Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- I completely support :) Well, what project would you make about it...?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Project? Like a Scratch Project? An ad? I dunno, we could pass around .sb2s and then share it with Wiki_Interviews, have the ST feature it Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe, but why would we need a project for this? derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:43, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe, but why would we need a project for this?
- Project? Like a Scratch Project? An ad? I dunno, we could pass around .sb2s and then share it with Wiki_Interviews, have the ST feature it
- I completely support :) Well, what project would you make about it...?
hmm what about really long speeches? ok let's let other users post about this and im not going to post another post for 1-2 posts to allow people to post ;) however i do love the idea just trying to figure something out ;)v
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:09, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- We could make a different google form just for speeches, then have the interview. So yeah, I guess we could do both. BUT, we should say, "go fill out this form", they shouldn't get the link until we've commented on their profile Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- Can't we already use the google doc that KrIsMa has already set up? Also, when/how would we give them the link if not we don't say "go fill out this form"?
- Anyway, again, in reply to KrIsMa's (repeated?) question, I'm for both an interview and a speech. A speech is much more flexible, but an interview we could structure. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
interviewing structure
We can do that! We just need to post that in the forums to post a post in wiki interviews. We have to log the comments on a wiki page though and that might be a bit of a hindrance.
I have an idea, some wiki members get the password to the account, then when someone posts in wiki.interviews, only one wiki member interviews the person, whoever posts first. Then thewiki member will log the comments in the wiki somewhere! Fun!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yup, that was my idea! Now who should I give the password to? I already have a lot of your emails from when I created your account on the Scratch JR Wiki. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Anyway, let's find a way to chat with the ST on this, like at a specific time, like, 4:00 Eastern Time tomorrow we all sign on to the chat for the document. I've got school, though, so let's do it on a weekend. How should we communicate? And when should we pitch it to them? The set-up still has a lot of blanks. Should we report something asking them to answer their email maybe? Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- I sent this to the ST:
| “ | Hey, this is Scratch Wiki contributor Krett12, sorry for the all caps subject, but I would like to discuss something with you. On the Scratch Wiki, we are discussing creating an article about how Scratch has changed lives, and we want people to interview! So many, many lots of them. Here was our current idea:
1)The user comments on Wiki_Interviews's profile asking "Can I be interviewed? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?????" 2)We take it from there We were wondering something---could you do us a favor? Officially back this and make it "popular"? Like, maybe we make a forum topic, and you guys move it to Announcements? Or something in the Scratch News? Or a featured project? Let me know your opinions. Best regards, Krett12 |
” |
– What I sent them | ||
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
That email sounds good! But, one question - what forum would you post it in for them to move it to Announcements...? derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Something like the Norwegian forum, I don't want anybody to see our topic before it's been moved. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- This is such a huge thread I will move it to Scratch_Wiki_talk:Interview Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- So, should I remove this thread from here...? derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- So, should I remove this thread from here...?
- This is such a huge thread I will move it to Scratch_Wiki_talk:Interview
mandatory questions to be asked
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KrIsMa, we have a new page now. The link is above. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- What chat is this taking place in? I might want to join in with my G+ - it's my Scratch one, not my personal :) derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Wiki Edit Statistics
I created a box and whisker plot of Wikian's edit levels (for Wikians with over 200 edits), and I thought I might as well share it: http://tinypic.com/m/id50m9/1
On a side note, can someone please reply to me in "Project Tags ;; Thoughts Appreciated"? I still need some thoughts there. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- I am confused as what it's for? Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- I created the graph for fun, so I thought that I might as well post it. (Although I also posted to give the reminder, because I've had a few previous discussion that stalled, and those never got completed...) ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:08, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- i like that top dot at the top (maybe scimonster? lol)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't get how the graph works. How did I get all the way up there? :p Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- basically it plots all the people over 200 edits in the graph, y axis being edits, and x being the density of people. so if there is 500 people between 200-250 edits, the horizontal bar will be bigger. otherwise, the bar is small, or sometimes shows as a "dot".
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm so tempted to write a program that does this. I haven't been writing anything lately. Here's an example query that lists all users with at least 1 edit and are not bots.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:04, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm so tempted to write a program that does this. I haven't been writing anything lately. Here's an example query that lists all users with at least 1 edit and are not bots.
- I created the graph for fun, so I thought that I might as well post it. (Although I also posted to give the reminder, because I've had a few previous discussion that stalled, and those never got completed...)
i pretty much did the same thing but more complicated graph lol i did a plot graph, File:Scratcheditcounter.png, basically, a green dot equals a 500 edit interval, a blue dot representing a user's edits. the range of the graph is 0 to 6000 (sorry scimonster!). you see, lots of people have less than 500 edits :( the mean isn't soo good with all users, but at least our active editors have a good mean :))) (sorry in the graph it says median its supposed to be mean lol)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Upcoming changes to WM
Sometime in the future (hopefully starting this weekend), I will be testing some new features in WM. This includes the following (in order):
- Better algorithm to detect new posts on talk pages (new line/end of section)
- Different messages when people
- Checking formatting (specifically breaking formatting)
This means that once again, I am warning everybody that whenever I test software, it has a tendency not to work properly. I will test what I can on a local Wiki, but I will also have to do some testing here. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Archive!
Please archive the CP! 
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Indonesian Language Scratch Wiki
Since 4.9.2014 there is an Indonesian Language Scratch Wiki starting at http://scratch-indo.info/wiki with help of the DACH-Scratch-Wiki-Team.
see:
- http://scratch-indo.info/wiki/Scratch_Wiki_talk:Portal_Komunitas
- http://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Das_deutschsprachige_Scratch-Wiki:Gemeinschaftsportal#Indonesian_Scratch_Wiki
- http://scratch.mit.edu/users/Rumanti/#comments-3381462
- http://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/48841
- http://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Scratch2013BCN/Programm/DetailList#74
- http://scratch-indo.info/wiki/Istimewa:Daftar_pengguna
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting us know! By the way, your Featured Article section is broken. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:07, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
revert discrepancy again
at [3], so let's enforce the new rule put into place about reverting.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Well, 2 reverts on mine and 1 on -PRO-s side isn't much. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- You should not have reverted the second time. It should be left to be dealt with by the community. When we said two reverts, i took that to mean 1 each by 2 people, not 2 by 1.
- As it happens, in this case i would agree that your image is better, as it shows more of the interface. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Two to two!! It's a showdown Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- I reverted the image to the old one and protected it until this issue is resolved. jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but my side has an admin too..... Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- But i'm not going to edit war. @jvvg Why do you think the old one is better? Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- But i'm not going to edit war. @jvvg Why do you think the old one is better?
- Yes, but my side has an admin too.....
- I reverted the image to the old one and protected it until this issue is resolved.
- Two to two!! It's a showdown
I think the extra whitespace and the blurred out IP address make the image look awkward. Krett12, can provide one without extra whitespace (i.e. only the page, similar to this old one) but with what you say is the new interface, you can do that. However, instead of blurring out the IP address, please use inspect element (if you are using Chrome or Firefox) to just change it to 0.0.0.0 or something. jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Also, I should say that if you do provide that (upload it to imgur or something), I will unprotect the page and clarify that the new image should be the one to stay. I reverted it because when protecting stuff from edit wars, I always keep it at what it was before the edit war started. jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Just a notice
I noticed that my custom signature I used to recreate the default one when my picture wasn't updating messed up the format of the pages it was posted on. It's on about 18 talk pages right now, so I'm going to go through a spree right now and switch all of those back to the normal scratchsig where it has {{User:Derpmeup/Sig}}, but keep the timestamp. derpmeup (talk | contribs) 15:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Something interesting about account requests
On September 7, I added a thing to S:CONTRIB saying users need to specifically say they read that page in their request notes. Since then, I have received 7 requests out of which only one met that requirement. From this, I think I can safely conclude that basically nobody is reading that page. jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- I read it :P I was interested in joining for about a month, so I read all the help pages and that page before requesting. When I was typing my request on the Special:RequestAccount page, I actually had that page on another tab open and I was reading what to say and what not to say. I guess it worked, I got accepted an hour later. xD derpmeup (talk | contribs) 15:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I like it when I get requests like that. Most of the time I just get people who I can tell skimmed the page and just tried to get the obvious stuff, and sometimes I get people who obviously never read it saying stuff like this (I now actually keep a log of the really bad ones):
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| Text: | “ I love Scratch, and I would like to help out by becoming a contributor. I read all the editing guidelines, and I will make sure I follow them all. ” |
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| Text: | “ That was good ” |
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| Text: | “ to give advice and tutorials to people ” |
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| Text: | “ Because I can help New Scratchers with their projects ” |
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| Text: | “ I would help new people to scratch and hope they can learn a ton and make some the best projects in history! ” |
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| Text: | “ because I want to post up instructions on how to join my studios ” |
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| Text: | “ I want to help scratchers ” |
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| Text: | “ So I can be helpful. ” |
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| Text: | “ yay ” |
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yay? :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- I had the what to say and what not to say page up to and pretty much did what it said. xD -PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed, somebody just said "yay" for request notes. I almost take that as an insult, saying I went through all the trouble of writing that page and reviewing countless account requests just to receive that. I wish I had more people like you two. jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. :3 derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- That should go into the list of most ridiculous account request notes. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- It did. I just provided you the list. (I only started keeping it a few weeks ago). jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Well I think we have enough editors already. Sure we even need more? Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- And about those notes, I made an online site for it using Google Sites. I would rather use MediaWiki, because everything is cool with that. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Well I think we have enough editors already. Sure we even need more?
- It did. I just provided you the list. (I only started keeping it a few weeks ago).
- That should go into the list of most ridiculous account request notes. :P
- Thanks. :3
- Indeed, somebody just said "yay" for request notes. I almost take that as an insult, saying I went through all the trouble of writing that page and reviewing countless account requests just to receive that. I wish I had more people like you two.
- I had the what to say and what not to say page up to and pretty much did what it said. xD
I'm keeping the document to myself. I also include the usernames in it, and I don't want those publicly available. jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Can there be a public no-usernames copy? Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- I thought we had enough users before you came. Would you have been happy if we had closed registrations?
- Truth is, we can always use another helpful editor. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, then let's give them some advance notice? (e.g. Registrations closing in 1 month) Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, then let's give them some advance notice? (e.g. Registrations closing in 1 month)
You want more derpmeup's and -PRO-'s?! Awesome! Cloning machine here I come! -PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:07, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- There is absolutely no way that registrations will be closed. As long as new users are helpful, they are always welcome and useful. I'm also not sure if a public copy of the log of bad request notes is really necessary. What exactly would be the benefit of making it public? All the common mistakes people make are already outlined on S:CONTRIB. I just gave you these to demonstrate that people aren't reading that page. jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Also, a little more on closing registrations: most of us will probably leave within the next 2-3 years. Once that happens, we will have a major crisis in lack of editors, and we will need to rush to get more. This way, there is always a steady volume. jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- jvvg is right. No one is staying here forever. Except maybe Sci. He has been on for SUPER LONG. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah. I've been here since March 2012 (over 2 years) and I plan to still be active until I at least finish high school (2 more years). After that, if the situation allows, I will still be around and actively administrating. If not, I will be looking for another admin to replace me when that time comes around. In the meantime, though, don't worry about me going anywhere. :) jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- ;) jvvg, did you make any songs lately? just wondering lol (oh yay 2012 buddies!)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm....I wonder who will replace you......I wonder who.... Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:35, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- @KrIsMa: no, sadly. I have written a few snippets but haven't really put any together yet. @Krett12: Hold on for 2+ years and maybe. It's also possible (though don't hold your breath) that another admin or EW will retire or that we will decide we need more before then. jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- @KrIsMa: no, sadly. I have written a few snippets but haven't really put any together yet. @Krett12: Hold on for 2+ years and maybe. It's also possible (though don't hold your breath) that another admin or EW will retire or that we will decide we need more before then.
- Yeah. I've been here since March 2012 (over 2 years) and I plan to still be active until I at least finish high school (2 more years). After that, if the situation allows, I will still be around and actively administrating. If not, I will be looking for another admin to replace me when that time comes around. In the meantime, though, don't worry about me going anywhere. :)
- jvvg is right. No one is staying here forever. Except maybe Sci. He has been on for SUPER LONG.
- Also, a little more on closing registrations: most of us will probably leave within the next 2-3 years. Once that happens, we will have a major crisis in lack of editors, and we will need to rush to get more. This way, there is always a steady volume.
@jvvg we should collaborate on a piano piece with a few movements - each based in a feeling (since you are so good at incorporating feelings into music!)
@krett12 (reply to the contact us) oh ok! contact us isnt working?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I write my best music when I'm depressed, and I've been feeling pretty good lately. Even the more triumphant sections of my music are often written when I'm depressed, as writing it gives me hope. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- Like in the "Modern Piano Sonata" (the last big piece I wrote), I wrote the opening section just to be sarcastic, then I wrote the main slow C# Minor theme when I felt I wasn't getting anything done. I wrote the "Allegro Vivo" F Minor theme when I felt life was being very repetitive, and I was trying to represent how life kept repeating itself and coming back to me. The section of repeated chords was just something random I wrote. The F Major section and following slow F Minor section was something intended for a violin concerto, but I never got the orchestration right, but arranging it for piano worked pretty well. The "Presto" F Minor section was something I wrote more when I was angry, and the ending "Andante Maestoso" B Flat Major section was something I wrote amid a massive amount of schoolwork to encourage myself. I also wrote the piece at very different times. I wrote the violin concerto thing well over a year before the rest of it, then later wrote the C# Minor section as a short prelude. I wrote the Allegro Vivo F Minor section as an orchestral work, but never came up with much else to put with it, so I incorporated that. The rest of the stuff was written to stitch it together. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- interesting! I write music the best when I am not supposed to use the computer lol idk why but my latest piece, un dévouement, in the Toccata part, I also wrote it depending on my current emotion. for example, I felt extremily calm when I wrote the dolce part. It isn't really a toccata, but in the middle, its super hard and maybe considered one. your piece is cool i love the mix of all emotions in your piece!
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- Like in the "Modern Piano Sonata" (the last big piece I wrote), I wrote the opening section just to be sarcastic, then I wrote the main slow C# Minor theme when I felt I wasn't getting anything done. I wrote the "Allegro Vivo" F Minor theme when I felt life was being very repetitive, and I was trying to represent how life kept repeating itself and coming back to me. The section of repeated chords was just something random I wrote. The F Major section and following slow F Minor section was something intended for a violin concerto, but I never got the orchestration right, but arranging it for piano worked pretty well. The "Presto" F Minor section was something I wrote more when I was angry, and the ending "Andante Maestoso" B Flat Major section was something I wrote amid a massive amount of schoolwork to encourage myself. I also wrote the piece at very different times. I wrote the violin concerto thing well over a year before the rest of it, then later wrote the C# Minor section as a short prelude. I wrote the Allegro Vivo F Minor section as an orchestral work, but never came up with much else to put with it, so I incorporated that. The rest of the stuff was written to stitch it together.
-message deleted by derpmeup xP- derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wrong, that is exactly what a nerd is. I write my best music when I'm depressed too B) what even is there to write about except for wanting to fall over and die because you haven't taken care of your body's basic needs
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 07:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Veggieman: I never seem to be depressed, but it seems I write more creatively when I need to go to the bathroom. :)
- @KrIsMa: You're writing a cadenza? Nice! I'd definitely like to hear it when you finish composing it! ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- LOL. But, anyways, let's end the off-topic, ok?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- LOL. But, anyways, let's end the off-topic, ok?
| “ | Nerd: a single-minded expert in a particular technical field.
"a computer nerd" |
” |
- haha!!!!! @ErnieParke sure! (right now i have shifted my attention over to toccata lol)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm probably going to be here for a long time, I've been on Scratch for 10 months and I'm not even close to losing interest. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- Me neither. I love hanging around the Wiki and Forums. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- We cannot control if people are reading the pages or not. It's like of like Terms of Uses, no one reads them but they're there. You just check off that you read them. Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- However, unlike most other websites where people don't read the ToU and stuff, we don't have to take users that don't read S:CONTRIB. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Updated statistics: I've processed 15 requests in the last 10 days. One said anything about reading S:CONTRIB. Also, look at Special:Log/newusers. Several of them have a redlink for "contribs". We are having serious problems with new users. jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:35, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Updated statistics: I've processed 15 requests in the last 10 days. One said anything about reading S:CONTRIB. Also, look at Special:Log/newusers. Several of them have a redlink for "contribs". We are having serious problems with new users.
- However, unlike most other websites where people don't read the ToU and stuff, we don't have to take users that don't read S:CONTRIB.
Is NoRed really needed?
Why does it matter if a userpage doesn't exist? It doesn't matter. Also, are red links really that bad? It's just a reminder of "This link needs to be deleted because the page does not exist". SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 01:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- When Krett started placing it everywhere before someone else had the chance to say anything, that resulted in a decision to keep it there for consistency because deleting pages also leaves a trace on the page. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- So, are we going to let him finish all of the red links? I think it should stop, honestly. derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Must we really concern ourselves with such trivial matters such as red links? The only reason talk pages are here is to discuss articles, but when we start overtalking about the talk pages, then we are drifted away from the proper goal of editing articles on the Wiki. Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- I was actually going to bring something like that up! Seriously, look at this. There are actually a lot more talk page edits than main article edits. But, articles were the point this was created in the first place. I might try to set up a day on here where we keep talk page edits minimal, and we edit the articles a lot instead. :D derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- I was actually going to bring something like that up! Seriously, look at this. There are actually a lot more talk page edits than main article edits. But, articles were the point this was created in the first place. I might try to set up a day on here where we keep talk page edits minimal, and we edit the articles a lot instead. :D
- Must we really concern ourselves with such trivial matters such as red links? The only reason talk pages are here is to discuss articles, but when we start overtalking about the talk pages, then we are drifted away from the proper goal of editing articles on the Wiki.
- So, are we going to let him finish all of the red links? I think it should stop, honestly.
Heaps and other structures
Greetings Scratchers! Some of you may know of me. I'm an off-and-on member of the Scratch community and I may have just entered a "on" phase. I just wrote the new "Binary Heap" article, and I was wondering if you guys thought it'd be useful or appropriate to add some other, more advanced computer science articles. I really want the articles, if/when I write them, to teach practical implementations of computer algorithms and data structures that offer a slightly more formal look into Computer Science (though obviously without the rigorous explanations and proofs). Some things I was thinking of were: Binary Search Trees, Divide-and-Conquer, and Hash Tables (and hashing in general), and maybe stacks (queues are sort of inherent in the Heap article, but a separate article over viewing the concept might be a good idea too)
So I guess what I want to know is this: is the Scratch wiki the appropriate place for such articles (obviously Scratch isn't the easiest place to implement them, and the priority of Scratch is ease over, say, asymptotic running time). If it is, and you have read BinaryHeap, is my tone and approach sound? Any suggestions for improvements? More images? More pseudo code? Less/more explanation? I really want these articles to be accessible. Thanks for your input
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 05:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, MoreGamesNow!
- If you want to create articles on things from computers, go here. SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- @SuperSmashScratch: It's not about computers, but about coding. ;)
- @MoreGamesNow: I remember you from when you were an active Wikian, and I remember you did an amazing job with your articles! Welcome back! :D
- Anyway, I think BinaryHeap is pretty much good from a writer's perspective, but I'll list a few questions I have at the need of my reply.
- What I don't think is fine, as someone's already pointed out on your Binary Heap article, is that it doesn't tie back to Scratch at all. Yes, you use Scratch blocks to make the code, but how does it tie back to Scratch? I remember the Sound File Format article almost got axed earlier till I rewrote a lot of it to tie back to Scratch.
- Personally, I think it would be good enough for BinaryHeap if you just included a section at the end listing a few projects where a BinaryHeap might be helpful, and why. Sort of like how in Sound File Format, I begin focused solely on Pulse-code Modulation, but then I included an entire section tying it back to Scratch.
- Anyway, about my questions. You said "The number "7" in the heap above has an x position of 3 and a y position of 2." Doesn't it have an x position of 1, and a y position of 1? An x position of 1 because only 10 is to the left, and a y position of 1 because it's in the second row down. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Gotcha. I assume linking my own projects would be a little unethical haha. To be fair, I do give the primary two places where heaps are used (sorting and priority queues) and suggest priority queues can help with pathfinding, but I'll try to find some projects that actually implement this (A*, if memory serves, uses a priority queue, so that's an example that should be easy to find). Thanks for the catch -- I was referring to the heap below, I'll change that now.
- MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 14:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Priority queues and sorting are important, but it's not Scratch terminology, if you see where I'm coming from. ;)
- If you're looking for examples, maybe you could check out 3D projects? I think a lot have binary heaps, but I can't say for sure, and they're usually complex! A simple example is a better example. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:50, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know about that; a lot of projects us A* which calls for a priority queue, and a number of projects sort numbers (indeed, we have a "sorting" articles), so both of these quite related to Scratch in my opinion. Offhand, I'm not sure how one would use a heap for 3D rastering or raytracing, but I'll certainly give it a look! Thanks
- MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 13:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
How about a forum page
I tried searching for a forum page, and could not find one. If you find one please let me know, but anyways I say there should be a forum page. I will work on it. It will have everything from the different categories to the signature. Any feedback?
Gcenac (talk | contribs) 04:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- we should already have one - hmm try looknig in the help pages (sorry i cant im busy at=t this moment :(
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Scratch Discussion Forums Scimonster (talk | contribs) 05:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Renaming users
What do you guys think about installing the Rename Users extension on this Wiki? jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:20, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, but you wouldn't get to use it, it would be ST only. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:43, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- hmm - doesn't the verification project check to see if the wiki username and the scratch account username are the same any-ways?
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, it does. We all know that, but it brings up another point. Doesn't it have to match the MS?
- That brings up ANOTHER point! What if you switch names on the main site? Then Phildude could just be renamed to -PRO-. We could take that off S:CONTRIB. Oh yeah! Now I want that extension! And also this one! Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- That brings up ANOTHER point! What if you switch names on the main site? Then Phildude could just be renamed to -PRO-. We could take that off S:CONTRIB. Oh yeah! Now I want that extension! And also this one!
- Yes, it does. We all know that, but it brings up another point. Doesn't it have to match the MS?
- Why would we need it? Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- @jvvg: This sounds like a good idea for people who change accounts, or other odd situations (like this one Wikian who lost their account password and their email account!) I'd support it if name changes required admin approval. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:33, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm with Sci on this one. Why? Also if we're for some reason allowing this, yes, definitely sysop/bur-only. Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:52, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Admins changing names is not happening. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Krett12, could you please explain why you think that? You were just asserting your position without really explaining it. The reason I suggested it is that we have a strict policy on no alt accounts, also meaning that if users change their name on the main site by creating a new account, they are out of luck here. This would allow users to do that, rather than restricting them to their original name. Of course, everybody would be notified (via the CP most likely) when a user changes names, and it would be pretty rare. However, technically it's very simple to install this extension, and it's been proven to work pretty well. jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- It would be very confusing! I'm not sure this is a good idea.
wolfpup500 (talk | contribs) 00:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- It would be very confusing! I'm not sure this is a good idea.
- Krett12, could you please explain why you think that? You were just asserting your position without really explaining it. The reason I suggested it is that we have a strict policy on no alt accounts, also meaning that if users change their name on the main site by creating a new account, they are out of luck here. This would allow users to do that, rather than restricting them to their original name. Of course, everybody would be notified (via the CP most likely) when a user changes names, and it would be pretty rare. However, technically it's very simple to install this extension, and it's been proven to work pretty well.
- Admins changing names is not happening.
Shall I add Indonesian to Interwiki?
The Scratchers making the Indonesian wiki have asked me to add them to Interwiki. I can do that this weekend. Do you think it's ready? 
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 21:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- I reminded you on your profile a few days ago ;) Yep, I think it's ready! derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think it is ready.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 22:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Would you also please add http://afwiki.futuresight.org with prefix aprilfoolswiki? Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes on Indo-Wiki. For April Fools' Wiki, please do not add it. Cross-Wiki transclusion is a giant pain, and in the mean time you can just use URL links. We will use bot scripts to copy the pages over when the time is right. jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Scmb1: It looks ready! I'm joyed to see it becoming a Wiki so soon. :)
- By the way, if we're adding the indo wiki to the Interwiki, then shouldn't we add them to our front page under the section "The Scratch Wiki" ? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes on Indo-Wiki. For April Fools' Wiki, please do not add it. Cross-Wiki transclusion is a giant pain, and in the mean time you can just use URL links. We will use bot scripts to copy the pages over when the time is right.
- Would you also please add http://afwiki.futuresight.org with prefix aprilfoolswiki?
- I think it is ready.
- Could you add the Russian Wiki as well? Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think that we do need it. But NOT for transcluding, the plan was never to do that. For doing something like this
[[aprilfools:{{PAGENAMEE}}]] Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- The AF Wiki is something we're hosting as essentially a pet humor project. It's not actually sponsored by Scratch, nor is it supported by them. Adding it to Interwiki would give the indication that they do sponsor it, at least to a certain extent. jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- But they don't sponsor other languages, they don't sponsor Wikipedia, and they don't sponsor http://smooks.org, which is in the table. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- But they don't sponsor other languages, they don't sponsor Wikipedia, and they don't sponsor http://smooks.org, which is in the table.
- The AF Wiki is something we're hosting as essentially a pet humor project. It's not actually sponsored by Scratch, nor is it supported by them. Adding it to Interwiki would give the indication that they do sponsor it, at least to a certain extent.
- While I'm adding Indonesian, do you all agree we should add Russian? Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think that we do need it. But NOT for transcluding, the plan was never to do that. For doing something like this
- The Indo Interwiki link isn't working on the homepage. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 03:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
should we remove inactive bots from the bot userright?
like if a bot is one time use only, should we remove it from the bots usergroup once it is finished processing the wiki?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Well, maybe. I don't think that Bot807 needs the userright because it's never done anything. derpmeup (talk | contribs) 13:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Why bother? Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:45, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- TIAC was made for doing one time tasks. Maybe, but I want Tweaker to stay. There are currently 7 accounts flagged as a bot. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- i like using hyperbole to prove my point. let's say we become wikipedia and there are tres amount of bots, and there are some defunct ones. are they really considered bots anymore? stats will be wrong about bots :(
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:33, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- TIAC was made for doing one time tasks. Maybe, but I want Tweaker to stay. There are currently 7 accounts flagged as a bot.
I don't think so. What use would knowing about blocked proxies be?
Anyway, I think the one time use bot account should be deleted. What use does it have anyway? Also, like we want to restrict the number of admin/bureaucrat/EW accounts, don't we want to restrict the number of bot accounts too? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- oh yeah i forgot we were talking about proxies ohhhh (smile) :P also, i agree with ernie, and we also dont want users to use their bot accounts to bypass the recent changes
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:39, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- The owners of bots:
Krett12: He probably wouldn't do that, and also he obviously wouldn't make any very bad changes.
KrIsMa: You definitely wouldn't do it, because you brought it up. :P
jvvg and Mathfreak231: They're admins, so they're very trusted, they definitely wouldn't do it.
Blob8108: He's done so much productive work for the actual website and the Wiki, he wouldn't do that.
So, it's not very likely anybody will use their accounts to bypass recent changes. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- The owners of bots:
e_w
should we refer to experienced wikians in articles as "Experienced Wikians" or "Experienced_Wikians"? (the hyphen comes from the userright and how it was created )
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- How about the second one because that's what it actually is? Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think "Experienced Wikians" becbasue it looks neater. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the name was intended to be with a space, not an underscore, but technical limitations. The original discussion didn't use the underscore. Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I also think "Experienced Wikians" is best because of its neatness, but also because (this is just a theory) the user group can't be created with spaces. Hence the _ ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:49, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'd say the 1st one - did you bring this up because of me changing Experienced_Wikians to Experienced Wikians in a help page and then Swampert11 reverting it? :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:52, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- yes how'd you know?
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that in the context of writing articles and help pages it should be "Experienced Wikians" (with a space). We don't refer to everything by its technical name, and it's meant to be written that way. For example, when an article needs its name changed for technical restrictions, we talk about it as if it were what it's supposed to be. The same applies here. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that in the context of writing articles and help pages it should be "Experienced Wikians" (with a space). We don't refer to everything by its technical name, and it's meant to be written that way. For example, when an article needs its name changed for technical restrictions, we talk about it as if it were what it's supposed to be. The same applies here.
- yes how'd you know?
- I'd say the 1st one - did you bring this up because of me changing Experienced_Wikians to Experienced Wikians in a help page and then Swampert11 reverting it? :P
- I'm pretty sure the name was intended to be with a space, not an underscore, but technical limitations. The original discussion didn't use the underscore.
- I think "Experienced Wikians" becbasue it looks neater.
And you got access to his account? O_o derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:36, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- It was already signed in and I didn't notice. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- A space looks nicer. @Krisma it's an underscore, not a hyphen. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Something about this topic grosses me out. :P Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Fix the Scratch Font download link.
http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Font
The download link on the page leads to the Scratch help page. 
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 03:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- That's because it goes to info.scratch.mit.edu, a site that is now down. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:27, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Nevermind. Fixed. Thanks to djdolphin! TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 03:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Nevermind. Fixed. Thanks to djdolphin!
Snap!/BYOB
These pages need to be separated because BYOB is a Scratch Mod and Snap! isn't. I will be separating them later(like tomorrow). I have brought this up before and no one ever responds. Good day. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Scratch 1.4 Website
If anybody wants to play with it, here it is. It's a VirtualBox appliance with Ubuntu Server installed on it. Instructions are included in the description. Here are the basic requirements:
- A relatively recent version Windows, Mac OS, or Linux
- A 64-bit CPU with hardware virtualization support
- At least 1 GB of RAM
- A non-oppressive firewall (it uses port forwarding) jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- That is cool. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks jvvg! Does the website include any example project pages? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yay! I've wanted to figure out how to install it for a while, but I'm too lazy to find all the dependencies.
Djdolphin (talk | contribs) 20:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think it does include a project or two, see http://localhost:8888/users/jvvg If that doesn't work, go to http://localhost:8888/services/share_project jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:40, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think it does include a project or two, see http://localhost:8888/users/jvvg If that doesn't work, go to http://localhost:8888/services/share_project
- Yay! I've wanted to figure out how to install it for a while, but I'm too lazy to find all the dependencies.
- Thanks jvvg! Does the website include any example project pages?
Bot requesting
In order to request a bot, you need to learn advanced programming? I'm bad at programming on those stuff. :(
PrincessPandaLover (talk | contribs) 17:08, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, but i don't think we really need more bots.... Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Oxford comma?
Should we put a comma before the last item of a list, or should we leave it out? I couldn't find anything on the wiki's preference. Whatever it is, it should be consistent across the wiki, right? Djdolphin (talk | contribs) 19:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- no, actually, it is preference. we never set anything for that. in grammar, it too is optional; both is correct :)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- No need for consistency or rules about it. I like to include it. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Inactive Users
I think we need an election for different positions. I am going to list all the Admins, Bureaucrats, and EW's. I will say whether they are active or inactive.
Experienced Wikians:"
ErnieParke
Hardmath123(not active)
1 active EW.
Administrators:"
Chrischb(not active)
Johnathanpb(not active)
jvvg
Mathfreak231
Natalie(not active)
scimonster
Veggieman001(semi-active)
WeirdF(not active)
3 active admins.
Bureaucrats:
Andresmh(not active)
JSO(not active)
JSOadmin(not active)
Lightnin(not active)
Lucario621(not active)
Ricarose(not active)
Scmb1(not active, school is keeping her REALLY busy.)
Scratchteam(not really an account)
Speakvisually(not active)
That means 0 Bureaucrats. I think sci should be promoted.
Totals:
1 Experienced Wikian
3 Admins
0 Bureaucrats
I hope this will make you think about having an election or appoint some people. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wow, I actually agree with you on this. That makes the only active people with extra powers on the Scratch Wiki ErnieParke, jvvg, Mathfreak231, and Scimonster. I think there should be another election soon (January 2015, maybe...?), and in the end, one person will become an admin , and one person will become an Experienced Wikians. Also, about Scimonster being promoted, I totally agree. We have no active bureaucrats, and he's probably the admin that would be best for the position. Didn't I also once bring Scimonster becoming a bureaucrat up? Ir's because he's been on longer than any of the active admins, and he's also had some authority on the main Scratch Website. Like, he was a curator, an SDS curator, was a community moderator, had a lot of forum posts, and he became an admin on this Wiki out of pure trust by the bureaucrats. if you look in the user rights log, you'll find that Lucario621 appointed him admin out of nowhere, there was no election anywhere, and he didn't ask to become an admin, either. He promoted him because he trusted him, and he thought he would be a good admin. And, he was right. Scimonster's been an amazing admin, and he has 10000+ edits - and those edits are actually useful! He's been a giant help on the website, the forums, and the Wiki. So, because of all of that, and the lack of active bureaucrats, I think Scimonster should become a bureaucrat. We can't rely on scmb1 to do all of the bureaucrat tasks, because she's already been busy with moderating the Scratch website and she's been really busy with college. Lucario621 edited yesterday, but that certainly doesn't mean he's active again. Also, about the elections, I think when we do have the next one, there should be one new Experienced Wikian, one Experienced Wikian (Most likely ErnieParke ;P) promoted to admin, possibly one brand new admin who wasn't already an Experienced Wikian, and I think Scimonster should become a bureaucrat. So, there could be an addition to each new user group with powers meant for users in our next election. :P But anyways, you did bring up a good point, and I completely agree with everything you said. Also, do you think we should make Paddle2See a bureaucrat here? He has an account, but he's only edited twice, and he's just in the normal user rank. Those are my thoughts on this post and Scimonster becoming a bureaucrat, sorry for the huge length in this post. :P I just had a lot to say. xD derpmeup (talk | contribs) 21:51, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm still not sure about having an election... it's not good that we have inactive people, I agree. But in a sense we do have an active bureaucrat, scmb1, who just spends their time on the Scratch website versus the Scratch Wiki. I'm sure if we asked them anything on their profile page, they'd come here quickly. Same thing with lightnin, speakvisually, and ricarose. I don't doubt that Scimonster would make a good admin, but I don't see much of a need at the moment. Besides, what does a bureaucrat do that an admin can't do, and that would need to be done often or has time restrictions? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Unless you get approval from the Scratch Team, this is off the table.. Being a bureaucrat can be ridiculously detrimental, such as demoting all of the ST members. Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:38, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- @derpmeup: I like what you have to say. I was thinking we need 2 EW's, 3 admins, and 1 bureaucrat.
- @ErnieParke: I also like what you said. You have a good point to look at.
- @Krett12: It wasn't finalized and I am just going to ignore your comment because I found it not relating to the topic I gave. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 00:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Unless you get approval from the Scratch Team, this is off the table.. Being a bureaucrat can be ridiculously detrimental, such as demoting all of the ST members.
- I'm still not sure about having an election... it's not good that we have inactive people, I agree. But in a sense we do have an active bureaucrat, scmb1, who just spends their time on the Scratch website versus the Scratch Wiki. I'm sure if we asked them anything on their profile page, they'd come here quickly. Same thing with lightnin, speakvisually, and ricarose. I don't doubt that Scimonster would make a good admin, but I don't see much of a need at the moment. Besides, what does a bureaucrat do that an admin can't do, and that would need to be done often or has time restrictions?
- Thanks for your support guys, that would be awesome.
- @Krett12 Why do you say such a thing? Do you actually think i would vandalize the wiki as a bureaucrat when i haven't for this many years as an admin?! And of course we would need the ST to make the changes. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 01:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Here's the plan I propose: we elect 1-2 EWs, make ErnieParke an admin, and elect one of the current admins as bureaucrat. I think all of us would be good choices, I'm just a bit hesitant about Sci at the moment because he recently returned from a very long vacation (although by the time we get around to an election this won't really be an issue). jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @krett12 i dont think scimonster will demote st members - i mean only egotistical people would do that and he totally isnt one
- and were planning on an election soon?
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Don't vote for me, I'm not active enough. Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:01, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- We'll elect the people who have the best speeches, not the people who demand votes, krett12. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @jvvg: That was what I was pretty much trying to say all along. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Don't make any guarantees that we're going to have an election any time soon. Krett12, please don't campaign or ask people for votes. We will have speeches, and that's how you should explain that people should vote for you. If you keep asking people to vote for you like that, we may have to keep you out of the election. jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:09, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Don't make any guarantees that we're going to have an election any time soon. Krett12, please don't campaign or ask people for votes. We will have speeches, and that's how you should explain that people should vote for you. If you keep asking people to vote for you like that, we may have to keep you out of the election.
- @jvvg: That was what I was pretty much trying to say all along.
- We'll elect the people who have the best speeches, not the people who demand votes, krett12. :P
- Here's the plan I propose: we elect 1-2 EWs, make ErnieParke an admin, and elect one of the current admins as bureaucrat. I think all of us would be good choices, I'm just a bit hesitant about Sci at the moment because he recently returned from a very long vacation (although by the time we get around to an election this won't really be an issue).
Also, two other questions:
- When would be a good time to do this? I'm thinking November or December this year.
- How would people nominate themselves? I'm thinking make a CP thread, and the existing admins choose from that (we would only not allow users that are over-campaigning or not active enough). jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Woah, woah, woah. What I meant by "Krett for EW!" was that I would be running, not asking for votes. I don't need to ask since I'll get them all anyway :P Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:18, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Krett12: Ok xP
@jvvg: Yeah, the end of this year sounds like a good time for one :) I think that actually works with the admins choosing the candidates, too. derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ok. @Sci, @Mathfreak, and @ErnieParke: would you be ok with hosting the elections in November and starting nominations now? jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds fine.
- @Krett Arrogance much? Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- So, we're starting the nominations now? Are you going to create a new CP topic or keep the discussion here...? Also, I think I'm going to run, EW sounds like something I'd be good at. I already know I have the patience of looking through things (account requests + edit patrolling), because I had the patience to look at all of the project suggestions when I was a curator, and I look through and add projects to the SDS often. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- So, we're starting the nominations now? Are you going to create a new CP topic or keep the discussion here...? Also, I think I'm going to run, EW sounds like something I'd be good at. I already know I have the patience of looking through things (account requests + edit patrolling), because I had the patience to look at all of the project suggestions when I was a curator, and I look through and add projects to the SDS often. :P
- Ok. @Sci, @Mathfreak, and @ErnieParke: would you be ok with hosting the elections in November and starting nominations now?
- @Krett12: Ok xP
I'll make a new topic. jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:48, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ok :) I've noticed I've been making some big edits lately, I've made 2 edits adding 2500+ bytes in the past 24 hours >u< derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Added Indonesian and Russian
I added the Indonesian and Russian wikis to the interwiki. Their prefixes are "id" and "ru." Here's a page that's already connected to both of them. Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 03:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I've been adding a lot of russian interwikis :) derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Cool! Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 03:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @derpmeup: Same here. :)
- @scmb1: Thanks scmb1! I'm glad to see the Scratch Wiki being offered in new languages now. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I have a suggestion that I'm suggesting here because you're ST and why not (:P): On the footer, it just says Scratch Wiki under community. I was thinking - maybe take that out, and add a new section on the footer titled Wikis? And under it would be English with a link to this, ther would be a link to German under that, a link to Russian under that, and a link to Indonesian under that. I kight post this in the Suggestions forum later, if you like this idea, feel free to pass it on to the rest of the Scratch Team. :) derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:47, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I have a suggestion that I'm suggesting here because you're ST and why not (:P): On the footer, it just says Scratch Wiki under community. I was thinking - maybe take that out, and add a new section on the footer titled Wikis? And under it would be English with a link to this, ther would be a link to German under that, a link to Russian under that, and a link to Indonesian under that. I kight post this in the Suggestions forum later, if you like this idea, feel free to pass it on to the rest of the Scratch Team. :)
- Cool!
- Cool! I just saw it. It's exciting how other languages are joining in! Thanks! :D Rumanti (talk | contribs) 12:35, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I added the "ru"-Interwiki-Link also to the German and the Indonesian Scratch-Wiki and "interwiki-connected" all versions of the "Scratcher-article (de:Scratcher, id:Scratcher, en:Scratcher, ru:Скретчер) I could edit in all languages: I don't have an account in the russian Scratch-Wiki now, so I couldn't connect "de"= German there. Who can do this? I'm looking forward to the next language-Group asking the DACH-Scratch-Wiki-people to help establishing their Scratch-Wiki (see: de:GP#Indonesian Scratch Wiki). Perhaps we will need an "Interwiki-bot" in the future, to set all "interwiki-back-links" automatically. I think in Wikipedia they have something like that. Who could build such an interwiki-backlink-bot? MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 08:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps we could borrow the code for Wikipedia's inter wiki backlink bot. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps we could borrow the code for Wikipedia's inter wiki backlink bot.
- I added the "ru"-Interwiki-Link also to the German and the Indonesian Scratch-Wiki and "interwiki-connected" all versions of the "Scratcher-article (de:Scratcher, id:Scratcher, en:Scratcher, ru:Скретчер) I could edit in all languages: I don't have an account in the russian Scratch-Wiki now, so I couldn't connect "de"= German there. Who can do this? I'm looking forward to the next language-Group asking the DACH-Scratch-Wiki-people to help establishing their Scratch-Wiki (see: de:GP#Indonesian Scratch Wiki). Perhaps we will need an "Interwiki-bot" in the future, to set all "interwiki-back-links" automatically. I think in Wikipedia they have something like that. Who could build such an interwiki-backlink-bot?
Russian interwiki
So, I pretty much just finished adding all of the Russian articles to the interwiki here, I added about 40 interwikis. They're pretty much done now, except for one article on 'SSSB' - it said it was made by Jens and bharvey and that it was a modification, so I think it might be Snap...? But, I didn't add it to the BYOB page here, because I wasn't entirely sure. derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:19, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what it was. That's what they called it on Alternatives to Scratch. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 04:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Election nominations (nominate yourself here)
If you want to run in the coming election to become an EW, please nominate yourself here. Note that I only want a list of people who want to run, so please only say that you want to run. We will start speeches as we get closer to the election. Anyway, here is the process:
- Nominate yourself here
- Existing EWs and admins pick from the list who would be most fit to run
- Those chosen write speeches
- After speeches are up for sufficient time, we start the election
In the election, we will probably pick 2 EWs. We will also be voting for one of the existing admins to become bureaucrat (no nominations necessary), and will probably promote ErnieParke to admin. jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Here is the current list (in order of posting):
- derpmeup
- JayceeMinecraft
- KrIsMa
- -PRO-
- Krett12
- Jandrewg
- TheHockeyist
- SuperSmashScratch
- Turkey3
- Swampert11
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'd love to run :) I think I would be good at the tasks like account requests and patrolling edits, because I already have shown patience on the Scratch Website. As a past curator, I looked through maaany suggested projects, and as an SDS curator, I have to go through and look through projects and add them + answer questions often. I think I would be good with some of the repetitive tasks. ;) Oh, and also, that's not my speech, I'm just pointing that out lol derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:55, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I know. I was just saying that I was people simply to say something like "I'd like to run", as when we decide who will be put in the election, we will look at stuff like edit history, and stuff like that can look like unnecessary campaigning. jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'd like to run.
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 18:06, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- "I'd like to run" -(hyphen), and thanks derpmeup ;)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @KrIsMa: No problem :3
@jvvg: How many people will you let nominate themselves before admins choose who should be in the election? derpmeup (talk | contribs) 18:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- speaking about running, i need to exercise today... sorry for inactivity! :P
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @derpmeup: as many as want to nominate themselves before mid-October, probably. That's when we will start selecting and prepare for the election. @KrIsMa: You should join an XC team like me. Today was my non-running day, so I did a 20 mile bike ride. jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:35, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wow! I get tired after half a mile! Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wow! I get tired after half a mile!
- @derpmeup: as many as want to nominate themselves before mid-October, probably. That's when we will start selecting and prepare for the election. @KrIsMa: You should join an XC team like me. Today was my non-running day, so I did a 20 mile bike ride.
- @KrIsMa: No problem :3
@jvvg hmm ill think about it ;)
@scimonster ikr lol I need to run more lol
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:55, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
ontopic
- Thanks to whoever added that. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:36, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah. I also added this to the Wiki news. jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:12, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Cool :) derpmeup (talk | contribs) 20:57, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I know I haven't been on for that long but I think I would be a good EW. I know lots of things and am very active. I mean, I'm only on a couple hours everyday. -PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- cool!
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- So we'll be having elections come November? This is an interesting twist! The one question I have is that when EW and admins start looking at nominations and seeing who should run, where would we hold our discussions? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- So we'll be having elections come November? This is an interesting twist! The one question I have is that when EW and admins start looking at nominations and seeing who should run, where would we hold our discussions?
- I know I haven't been on for that long but I think I would be a good EW. I know lots of things and am very active. I mean, I'm only on a couple hours everyday.
- Cool :)
- Yeah. I also added this to the Wiki news.
Scratch Wiki:Elections/November 2014 derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- i think he means like how admins will discuss to pick a list of eligible ew people
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oh! Maybe on an off-site chat, they might not want it to be public ;) derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:09, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @-PRO-: Added you. @KrIsMa and @derpmeup: We would probably host it off-site somewhere. It would probably be over Skype, IRC, or something else similar. To do that, we should probably get each others' emails so we can communicate. jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:13, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- @-PRO-: Added you. @KrIsMa and @derpmeup: We would probably host it off-site somewhere. It would probably be over Skype, IRC, or something else similar. To do that, we should probably get each others' emails so we can communicate.
- Oh! Maybe on an off-site chat, they might not want it to be public ;)
I would like to run. I do not care AT ALL if I am not elected!
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 23:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Added you. We're getting a nice list going here. :) jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Allow me to run. TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:06, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Added you. Once again, please stop writing speeches here. I just want a list of people who want to run. Speeches come later. jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Man, glad I avoided that edit conflict. Sorry, Krett, but your email has to go. Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry. I thought you were going to reject me instantly. TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- No, we don't do that. We will accept anybody that nominates him/herself. We will then decide the official list of candidates after sufficient time has passed to let everybody that wants to run nominate themselves. jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, okay then. I'll wait then. TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, okay then. I'll wait then.
- No, we don't do that. We will accept anybody that nominates him/herself. We will then decide the official list of candidates after sufficient time has passed to let everybody that wants to run nominate themselves.
- Sorry. I thought you were going to reject me instantly.
- Man, glad I avoided that edit conflict. Sorry, Krett, but your email has to go.
This looks cool but I probably couldn't handle all that responsibilty... wolfpup500 (talk | contribs) 00:32, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- It's fine :) derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:34, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm maybe I'll step up my activity this October and afterwards (since I have less stuff to do now) would I be a fine candidate? Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- @turkey3 You should run. Step up your activity a bit and you'd do a great job. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:41, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Where it got offtopic...
- ikr i mean you're edits are sooo amazing !!! :)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah! I don't know where you get all these article ideas. ;) I would love to create more articles if I had ideas, the only one I've created so far is a PicoBoard block that I realized didn't have a page: When () () () (block). derpmeup (talk | contribs) 13:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah! I don't know where you get all these article ideas. ;) I would love to create more articles if I had ideas, the only one I've created so far is a PicoBoard block that I realized didn't have a page: When () () () (block).
Back ontopic.
Turkey3 also is running now. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think him or KrIsMa is going to be my first choice, can't decide ;) But, either way, they will be my top 2. :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
What?
I just clicked on my edit count page because I was browsing the Wiki, and then I noticed something on it. It says I have 3 edits in the 'Scratch Wiki Talk' namespace, even though I've made well over 120. Why did that happen? :/ derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:27, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- All CP edits just got lost after Mathfreak had to delete it to censor an email address. jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:28, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oh derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- The Community Portal now has 15 views compared to the 350,000 it once had :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- As a result, I think maybe deleting User:BWOG/Edit Rankings would be a good idea, as the counts are now very inaccurate. (edit conflicted twice!) jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- As a result, I think maybe deleting User:BWOG/Edit Rankings would be a good idea, as the counts are now very inaccurate. (edit conflicted twice!)
- The Community Portal now has 15 views compared to the 350,000 it once had :P
- Oh
Jvvg, you should have restored the page instead of remaking it. xD derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- The whole point of deleting then re-making it was to censor the revision with Krett's email address. jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- I am confused edit counts seem to be fine. Either way with a little Mediawiki Magic we could keep the BWOG page relevant through this great thing called addition. Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Who's awesome!
I got back the CP history using some hacking. :D
I'm not going to delete to try and remove Krett's email; it'll stay there. Call it a punishment if you want. Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- It worked! :D I just checked my Scratch Wiki talk edits, they're at 152 now. I didn't think it could be brought back, but you did it :P derpmeup (talk | contribs) 13:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
sys ur op?
this term has been going around the wiki a lot - and I was wondering what it means?
i will slice your over powered?!?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:55, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure. Systemize your operation? No, that sounds too medical :P Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Scratch Profile Template
Should there be a template for linking to a Scratch profile easier? I had an idea for one, but I'm not sure if I should make it yet. For example, {{Scratch Profile:Scimonster}} would produce a link to Scimonster's Scratch profile. What are your thoughts on this template? derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:05, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- well you can use {{user}}, such as KrIsMa (talk | contribs) (me!) and derpmeup (talk | contribs) (you!)
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
It happened so fast!
Can't believe I'm saying this but time to archive! Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:42, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
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