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List of New Blocks Page

 Done
Should there be a page with a short list of commonly made/used new (dark purple) blocks? There's a list of collabs/companies.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 21:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

It'd Be Neat For Some Things As A List.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs)

It'd be hard to keep track of all the blocks people use though...
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:14, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I said most common. Or, if you want, most rare.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 23:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be cool to do something like this in the future, but I don't think that's something we should really focus on now, especially without a 2.0 block plugin yet. They would, however, be nice as parts of new tutorials.

Also, I honestly don't think there should be collab pages or a list of them and that's something I've been meaning to bring up but I'll probably wait on that for a while.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 00:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

And how about that 2.0 hasn't been out very long, so we don't have any data...?

A better comparison would be Most Common Scripts.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

That too. :P
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 14:30, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm with veggie on the list of companies/collabs as it gets outdated and it's not very useful other than for fame of companies/collabs. It would make more sense to have those pages on winners of Collab Camp and stuff like that.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 22:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the collab page totally makes me cry every time i hit Special:Random and it comes up :(
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 11:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

It's been a while. Should we begin to collect data?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 01:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I thought of this. I already tried a bit in my sandbox. I say, DO IT.
Hexagon400 (talk | contribs) 18:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Well if somebody could tell me how we are going to collect data on unique custom blocks, we can do this. Otherwise, "useful" or "commonly used" custom blocks are totally opinion.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 21:12, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Just look at different projects and see what comes up common. I know jump is very popular, but comes in many forms.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 01:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Well how will we find consistent blocks? And which projects would we look at?
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it would be a better idea to make tutorials for specific blocks rather than having a page for a list of common ones.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 20:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

That's pretty much what we're already doing.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 19:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

When clicking a link in search dropdown, it should take me directly to the page rather than the search page

Whenever I click a link in the search auto-complete dropdown, it takes me to the search page (searching for the thing I clicked). Once there, I click the top link ("There is a page named User:Jvvg on this wiki") and it takes me to the page. However, on the old skin, if I clicked the dropdown item, it took me straight to the page without the search page in between, thus eliminating a step and saving everyone time. I don't have much experience with MediaWiki, so I couldn't find how to do this looking through the skin (I really was just fixing HTML errors), but if somebody with more experience editing MediaWiki skins can figure that out, that would be great.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that, too.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 17:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It's on the bug list.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 19:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Index Magic Word on Scratch Wiki Home

 Done

Should an admin add __INDEX__ to the front page?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 00:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

What does __INDEX__ do?
Chocolatepenguin (talk | contribs) 10:24, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

It's supposed to ask search engines to index the page. I don't see the need, as it already gets indexed.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:08, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

No it isn't. I did a Google search and the only pages that came up were Scratch Wiki and Scratch, which I manually indexed.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 22:10, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Done.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 18:12, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Home/News vs. Scratch Wiki:Current Events

The only key difference I've noticed is that C.E. has it divided into sections, which doesn't change much. Do you guys think it'd make a difference deleting one of them? My opinion is that we should get rid of Current Events and change MediaWiki:Currentevents-url to say "Scratch Wiki Home/News".
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 01:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

They have different information, although I don't know if that's intended or not.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I never really knew myself what the point of the C.E. is. Maybe for going further back than on the main news? I wouldn't delete it though, Lucario might get mad at you. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

When was the last time Lucario ever did anything on the wiki, anyways? I haven't seen him around in a while.

Again, the only difference I really see is that CE is divided into sections, which again isn't much of a difference.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Luc's been busy, I believe. I can ask him why there are too different pages next time I talk to him, though.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Warning / Info templates look funny

The text looks like it runs onto the Info or Warning! label.

Can anyone with more CSS experience than I do fix this?
Scratchisthebest (talk | contribs) 19:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I could fix it, but I don't see the issue on my end. What are you using OS and browser wise?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Google Chrome. Happens on android version and windows version.
Scratchisthebest (talk | contribs) 05:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

502 errors

I have been receiving 502 Bad gateway errors when I try to access the main site for the last 15 minutes. Firefox 17.0.9, Windows 7 Professional, Service Pack 1.
Wes64 (talk | contribs) 12:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Trouble finding things to edit

Hey, I'm having a bit of trouble finding pages to contribute to and help fix on this wiki. I've tried pressing the random page button a view times, but to no luck. Do you guys know of any pages I could help fix up?
Tierage (talk | contribs) 03:06, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki:To-do. You could also try participating in some of the above discussions.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look around.
Tierage (talk | contribs) 23:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out that lots of the pages on scratch blocks are missing code in their examples, so if you ever want to add some, go ahead!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Pages that need to be deleted

Special:BrokenRedirects The majority of these pages need to be deleted (as a result of the inactive mod cleanup).
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 21:06, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that up, but I don't think deleting them is 100% necessary. Couldn't we redirect them to the List of Scratch Modifications page?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:30, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I really don't think that that would be a relevant redirect because if a mod is inactive, who would bother looking for it? If they need info about it they could search the forums or something.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 01:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

But then there wouldn't be anything in the forums, so they'd need the Wiki, but then again, it's page is gone. I see your point; they should be deleted.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Plus the names will still be on the list and all names on the list will have references or a page.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Looking for a Help Page on Divisions

I worked a lot with the blocks part of the TOC, and a lot of what I did was adjusting the borders and divisions in:

<div></div>

I've figured out a lot by playing with the code, but I couldn't find a help page on it in Category:Help, and it is a pretty large part of editing. Is there a help page? If so, could someone direct me to it. If not, I, and probably others, would appreciate it greatly if someone made Help:Divisions. Thanks! :D
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I would make a page (even though I'm not an expert), but <div> is part of CSS, and a larger section on CSS would be 3x better. Also, apparently there's already a page on it Help:CSS, but it's constructed poorly, so it'll have to be re-made. Anyway, I'll try my hand at remaking the page tomorrow. If you're reading this Scimonster, could you maybe look over my handiwork once I finish?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

The Help:CSS, as you said, doesn't really say much. I think a help page on divisions could be separate from the CSS help page, because there are much to divisions.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

You forgot to indent.

Anyway, yes, <div> is nice and diverse, but so is <span>, and the rare <ol> and <il> (I think I got those last two right). Where are those supposed to go now? <ol> and <il> both don't have enough content to merit there own article, and <span> is basically <div> except with one difference. Compacting them into one overall page with <div> makes a lot more sense to me.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:33, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

It's li not il, remember? I have Scimonster's talk as a source.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:03, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm surprised I even knew what I wrote :P what do you mean by indent? Where does the indentation go?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

If it helps you remember, ol = ordered list, ul = unordered list, li = list item. For real.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

@Turkey3: At the beginning of your comments. The third comment here, or your second, isn't indented.

@Mathfreak231: I haven't used them in awhile, and I don't need that source. I remember it well enough.

@Scimonster: I was guessing that for li, back when I remembered its two letters. Well thanks for the refresher!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I have another question: what's the difference in the stylings:

• border-radius
• moz-border-radius
• webkit-border-radius
  Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 20:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

The first is supposed to be a general styling for every browser, but some don't use it. As for the rest, Scimonster does a good job summarizing:

"In any case, the different prefixes are called vendor prefixes. They are used because not all browsers support it unprefixed, back from when it was still liable to change. So, Firefox (and other Mozilla applications) use -moz-, Chrome and Safari use -webkit- (the name of the rendering engine), Opera uses -o-, IE uses -ms-."

Do you remember the front page that I recreated in the Table of Contents, and how there was a "useless image" there? That image was useless because IE didn't support the key part of that it made it the background of the website, so I had to added in vendor prefixes.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

New Curator!

krish15 is our 115th curator.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 09:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Main site is super slow

Most webpages I visit take about 5 seconds to load. Most Scratch pages are taking about 5 minutes to load. However, the wiki is fine.
OrcaCat (talk | contribs) 22:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, the site seems to be back to normal.
OrcaCat (talk | contribs) 22:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

And now it's even slower.
OrcaCat (talk | contribs) 22:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

This isn't really the place to discuss that; we have no control over it and this is more for wiki discussions. Sorry. :\
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 01:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I posted it here because the wiki was at normal speed yet the main site was taking forever.
OrcaCat (talk | contribs) 20:49, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Anytime the main site is slow, the wiki should be normal speed because it's hosted on another server. If both are slow, it may be a problem with your connection.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:43, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Admin Needed to Updated a Page

Scratch Wiki:News Updating has several links to the old news page, except I can't edit the page to remove them, so could an admin do that?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:39, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 13:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Ban my wiki account

Ban my wiki account. My Scratch account was permanently banned since I shared an email. >_>
Tierage (talk | contribs) 03:15, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, sorry to hear that :| I'm sure you'll be let back on. I'd say wait a couple days and then request it back. But then again, who am I to judge. >_> so see ya! We're losing editors (such as the mystery of Curiouscrab)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:23, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe we generally ban wiki accounts of users banned on the Scratch website unless they are continuing to behave improperly here. I would suggest that you do what you feel is right presently, whether you choose to use your wiki account or not.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 08:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Although I don't think accounts blocked on Scratch should be banned on the Wiki, I found out that User:Molybdenum was blocked for:

Accounts blocked on Scratch get blocked on the wiki (source)

:(
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 09:19, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

That user was causing some amount of drama on the wiki, if I recall correctly. It may also be true that users banned on the main site are supposed to be banned here, but we have no way of knowing that unless the user chooses to make their ban public and we have no active bureaucrat presently, so scmb1 or Lightnin would have to be contacted for one of those cases. It's not really worth doing unless there's some disruption of wiki activities.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 09:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 09:38, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

We really *should* have an active bureaucrat. Can't we make you one, veggie? :P
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 13:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

yeah we look up to u (especially me because i have to do the same things you get to do) ^_^
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 13:31, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking the same, a while ago I'd have said sci but now that he's stopped editing as much I'd say veggie. In case anyone's interested, there seems to have been a discussion about bureaucrats, blocking and stuff back in Archive 8.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 13:41, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking about that a bit ago and agreed that I'd definitely be fit for it. :P I'll probably send the ST an email at some point inquiring about it (and some other things).
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 16:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I was also wondering about having another bureaucrat as well... I know you'd be a good one, veggieman001. ;)

@Turkey3: It is odd that Curiouscrab is gone. Maybe his parents forced him off of Scratch? :/

At least I'm still here, even though I've become a bit inactive.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:57, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, well, sometimes Scratch can interfere with studies when one just has to say "I'm done". That's what I'm guessing happened, as he's been inactive for over a couple month. And another bureaucrat would be nice, since the two (and more) hardly ever come on.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 19:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Turkey3: I think that I figured out why Curiouscrab left. Just read this page: Anti-Scratch I agree though, an active bureaucrat would be nice to have around, but not entirely necessary.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see... A forum where people enjoy spending time complaining about an educational, awesome program... But I'm not pointing out any names and won't judge them. That's a safe site, right? Just wondering... Wait, on the CC topic, just one final note, he says he was banned from Scratch, so could he have interpreted the IP Ban disaster as an actual ban? I wonder if people immediately quit when they saw it...
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I should point out that PunBB-Hosting.com doesn't have any form of user verification, and as such there is no way to prove that the user posting was actually Curiouscrab. That could easily have been someone impersonating him to make him look bad. While it is possible that it is really Curiouscrab, I wouldn't immediately be sure of that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Well he did prove that, if not the real Curiouscrab, he at least knows about him. Also, uh-oh. XP
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 21:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

That is true, but remember that this is the internet and that information is fairly easy to access. If someone wants to impersonate curiouscrab on that site, it's not too hard. If he does want to attack the Wiki, he hasn't done anything yet, and if he does, we can just rollback the edits and report him to a bureaucrat via the contact us link.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

He did create that page on the Anti-Scratch group (which got speedily deleted and therefore doesn't show up in contribs or recent changes).
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that. In that case, there is a good chance that it really is Curiouscrab. Anyway, as I said above, if he does try anything, then we can stop it fairly quickly using the rollback feature.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

New Curator!

 Done

MichelleDeng is the 116th curator!
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 21:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

And I'll be 117th :) on November 11 for a heads up to Admins.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:00, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Of course, I'll use up valuable calendar space to write "Turkey3 is curator!"
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

MichelleDeng is the 116th not the 115th, the news needs corrected.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 21:45, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

New SDS

Looks like Celebrate 4,000,000 Projects! is the 73rd SDS.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:30, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Moving some Scratch Team info pages to the wiki

Hi everybody! We've decided to move some pages, like Scratch policy pages and other info pages, to the wiki. On the 1.4 website, these pages were part of the main Scratch site, but we think it makes more sense to have them on the wiki with all of the other information about Scratch. Since these pages are about policy, we're planning to lock them so that not everyone can edit them. Admins-- you might see a new option in "protect" that says "require 'editlockedpages' permission." We'll only use it for a few pages that really need it. :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Will any non-ST members (eg. wiki admins) be able to edit them?
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 20:07, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

^
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this couldn't use the standard protection for only administrator/bureaucrat edits? Or is this limited to a smaller group?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 00:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

It's probably only limited to bereaucrats because the Scratch Team doesn't want any slight modification to their rules; they want to be the sole decision-makers in that stuff.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, by having a look at Special:ListGroupRights, it appears that administrators and "editlockedpages" users can, which actually answers my question: they evidently intend to have select users (I would assume ST members or similar) that aren't administrators be able to edit such pages.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 03:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

We can also place {{Scratch Team Page}} on them.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

All good questions. Blob8108-- at the moment, admins do have the permission, but we'd rather only ST edit them, except for maybe for typos or other small problems, just because they're policy pages. And veggieman-- we made it a permission so it would be easier to change who has it, since we're just beginning with this. Also, scimonster-- thanks for the link, but we'd rather not out that on the pages. We don't want to make the information intimidating or unclear for users who are not wiki editors.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 21:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I know the text should probably be rewritten, but don't you think it would be a good idea for users to recognize that this is an official page? Many people are used to the "anyone can edit" wiki philosophy (and not everyone knows to check if it's protected, and what rank it's protected for).
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:56, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe there could be a comment in the page source then?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Drop all but the first sentence?
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 22:25, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

@Blobl8108: Even then, it'd seem intimidating to me. I'd think that there'd have to be a n entirely new template if one is even added.

@Scmb1: Anyway, I like the idea of a block; it would be bad if users were allowed to edit the rules, wether for prank, or a slight rewording that "seems more clear" I also don't think a message is really needed; it is a policy page, and that alone to me implies the block.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

CP archiving standards

I just now thought that the CP should have standards to when it can be archived and such. Here are a few general ideas:

• Total CP's size must be x bytes/must contain x topics
• Size of archive must be x bytes/must contain x topics
• Must have been x (time) since the last archive was made

etc.

Anybody have any numbers to fill in the blanks?
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:09, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Eh, I don't think we need to have a set standard. It looks like it's usually 20kb-60kb, and I think that's fine. It really just depends on what topics are done so I think if we were to choose one, #2 would be the best.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

New Curator

Some random person turkey3 has been chosen as curator... Haha, my humor and I. Oh, please please DO NOT CAPITALIZE MY NAME!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I feel like capitalizing your name as punishment for your failed attempt at irony. XP
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 01:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

It took me a few years to realise you have to edit your sig in the wiki preferences in order for it to appear lowercase...
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 10:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)