Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 49

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Community Portal Archives

No-category parameters for templates

Due to this page's history, I went ahead and added parser functions to {{inappropriate}} and {{notUseful}}. If you only need to show the template, but don't want the page to be categorized, add |cat=no to the template like {{notUseful|cat=no}}.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 00:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I think I know why you did that. KrIsMa
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 00:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a page full of templates, but some added categories. The templates still work the same, but with a new option.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 00:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

It didn't work when I tried it with BrokenImage.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 00:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Still adding the code to the templates, it needs to be manually done.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 00:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a message to all

 Not done

Hey everyone,

I am super glad to see people editing (and I am sure the admins are even more happy), but, I posted this on someones page and I would like to share this with all of you:

“	Um........this doesn't make any sense. Why would you have this. You do realize that the wiki is supposed to be a reliable source for people around scratch to find information, not for people to work on wiki coding. Also, if I were you, I wouldn't focus so much about templates and your userpage. Your supposed to be editing CONTENT PAGES, these are not content pages. There is absolutely no reason to be creating these pages, NO ONE WILL SEE THEM! *ahem*, sorry, just had to let that out. Joletole (talk | contribs) 23:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)	”
– joletole

I am not telling you that you can't edit templates, I am just saying the whole point of a wiki is where people come together to edit content pages and read. Sorry for all your hard work you put into your subpages and stuff, but that is not needed. You really only need one subpage, as many subpages can cause a lot of confusion. I would name this subpage: [[User:<insert name here> EDIT: Well, if I realized how much reaction this was gonna get, I probs shouldn't have posted it. /Test]].
Joletole (talk | contribs) 01:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't you think that message was a bit harsh? I mean, he/she has only been on the wiki for about 4 days. And don't say usernames.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I am just saying, you don't need to put that much code. Through a special page, I have figured out that a lot of users have over 200 edit's on the User namespace.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 01:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

On wikipedia, over 50% of my edits are in the user space. Roughly 30% here. Am I not allowed to have my userpage how I want it?
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 01:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Has my reply been ignored? User_talk:Joletole/Maybe,_maybe_not I reposted it over there.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 01:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

While it's perfectly acceptable to customise your userpage to your liking, we'd prefer that you spend more of your time editing the mainspace than your userpage, as the goal of the wiki is to provide helpful content to Scratchers rather than serve as a customiseable userpage host. Please limit the amount of edits to it, and remember to use the show preview button (especially because the high amount of edits to the page clutters the recent changes). This is not Wikipedia; we're smaller so we've got to have different standards. You also may find that it's not really necessary to modify it too much—all that's really needed is some basic information.

As for the templates you're creating, I for one think that they're helpful and I definitely don't mind them. However, it would be nice to see you editing in the mainspace more too. :)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Speech

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Heard of it. How about I modernize it. "When on the wiki, do as the wiki members do." "Treat others the way you want to be treated." Modernized: "When you give others these insructions, follow them yourselves." There's also the version "When you give rules, expect rules to be given back." You tell us to do these things, but you do not tell us where. The wiki articles are up to date and are completed. Until 2.0 comes, we don't have anything to do but these things we do. Most wiki members are doing these things, but you are not. The majority rules over the minority. Just because you're an admin, you're not different from the rest of us. I could be older than you, yet you act as if I am only 2. You treat us as subjects of your rule. back to "When on the wiki, do as the wiki members do." Most of us do these things, so that is what we all shall do. Most of these members live in a democracy. I believe you do, too. basically what I'm trying to say is don't tell us to do stuff if we don't have anything to do, when the work is already done for us. You may reply to this speech in harsh ways. You may even ban me. But remember the most important thing. Do as you tell others. be fair. Social classes (admin, normal memebers) don't dispute us. I hope you learn from this.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 02:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not considering myself better than the rest of you...? I'm trying to keep things civil here, since it's evidently not completely working out by itself. I feel like you're calling me a condescending hypocrite, and that really hurts. I've been trying to do my best for this wiki as much as you have. I'm treating you how I want to be treated—with calmness and respect. I also don't understand what you mean by "the things we do". Could you explain? I know I recently haven't been doing much in the way of mainspace editing, but I've been a bit strapped for time due to excessive loads of schoolwork.

As for the condescending part, how? I'm talking how I talk on the forums, and nobody's objected at that since, oh, about January I'd say? And age doesn't really have anything to do with the matter—it doesn't matter to me whether someone younger or older than me, just how they act. And, just so you know, this isn't a democracy. The bureaucrats, not the admins, have executive power; we're mostly here for having all the fancy tools, having more weight in discussions with them, and trying to keep things calm.

I'm not going to say harsh things, or ban you (even if I could, which I can't). It just really hurts me that you feel that way about me and what I do.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I didn't mention one time in the speech that you were whatever you said that was. I don't even know what that is. From now on can you stop telling people to edit mainpages? There is nothing to edit. Hitting random page won't do anything. It brings us either to an unreleased article or a completed article. Templates somewhat help. It's better than doing nothing. During this time, instead of wasting time, we can actually get to work on new things. What I mean is that you are different. Most of us Scratchers are working in our user namespaces, but you work outside of it. Your like the one who refuses to act as the others do. can you try not to act so different and superior? I see you tried to say that you weren't, but most of that isn't entirely true. Also, how'd you like my speech?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 02:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ How did I like your speech? I didn't. It feels like a personal attack. Are you telling me to stop editing outside of the user namespace? Why? I edit what I feel like needs improving, not what other people do; in fact, I don't pay attention to what other people are editing a lot of the time. I don't have anything to edit in the user namespace—why, then, would I? I don't really consider spending lots of time editing userpages having much value over doing nothing; that's not really what the wiki's for. Can you point out where I said that templates don't help, and can you tell me exactly what I said that "isn't entirely true"? And there are definitely articles that still need improving: what about updating the Scratch Team Blog with the most recent post? the Scratch Team article with info from said blog post? writing tutorials, especially those using Scratch 2.0? There's plenty around here to do for those who have the time, if you know where to look. (and I'm not even going to address your implying my non-Scratcherness)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 03:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Did you learn anything from it? What I'm trying to say is that I feel that you are treating Scratchers in harsh ways by telling them what to do, but not doing it yourself. It hurts me to feel like I'm being treated like a child on a more grown up thing. MIT made Scratch for kids to learn in a fun way, not get bossed around all day by those who wish to lead others without others say. You said you thought the speech was a personal attack. It was only explaining to you what other Scratchers are afraid to say. We want change. Molybdenum said below here that they didn't think that this was a good idea. They really just don't want to get banned from the wiki because they got banned from the site. I'm sure others would agree. I'm just standing up for what I think is right. If you feel otherwise, just say so. Maybe the admins should ask what the members would like.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 03:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

psst. it gets confusing when you post like this. at least to me. if we really are supposed to do this, then scratch is confusing. bby the way, awesome speech!
Molybdenum (talk | contribs)

Also, hitting RP does sometimes, although rarely, get you an edittable page. (I did so a few times)
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC) 02:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

There's someone, or maybe a few, who only had one main-space edit and the rest were under the userspace. ^{And again about Wikipedia, there are some really...really complicated user pages ._.}
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I do think that such editing isn't strictly necessary and it would be nice to cut down on the small puzzles and things users are posting; such material would probably belong better on a blog or something of the like.

Also, I'd prefer if you don't call users out about this on the community portal (even if you don't list your name, which can be worse for the admin as they can get confused about who's being addressed)—you can send a message on one of the admins' talk pages (Luc, Sci, and I being the most active), or send the wiki administration an email at wiki@scratch.mit.edu. If you just want to talk about something to me specifically, too, you can leave me a comment. :)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Woo, go Ihaveamac!
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 02:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Templates is my thing pretty much now. But I'll try to get in the main space more.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH PEOPLE, ME, AND TEMPLATES! I HAVE MADE EXACTLY 0 TEMPLATES! Ok, that was a lot of emphasis. Too much? :)
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

And of course, the wiki is the only way I can interact with scratch. Of course the main site is for doing [xyz], but I'm banned, and the ST is ignoring me. And don't get this offtopic: The ban thread is in my UP.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Molybdenum, no matter how much the ban upsets you, this is not the place to talk about it—even on your talk page. I'm not aware of any templates you've made or any claim of mine addressing that, but if I did, I apologize. I'm sorry if you feel you're being ignored by the Scratch Team, but even if you're banned, that's no excuse to do whatever you want here as a substitute for the main site and/or forums.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Did I say I was? No. Now I should really leave scratch. Do you agree?
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, "As for the templates you're creating, I for one think that they're helpful and I definitely don't mind them. However, it would be nice to see you editing in the mainspace more too. :)"
Unknownuser (talk | contribs)

Sigh. I have made 0 templates.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 23:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I have not made any templates.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

And since you seem to want me to edit more main pages, ok. I'm doing so right now.!02:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC) ~
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) ~~~~
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

If you dont know what pages to edit, then just go to some stubs. Also, here is a quote I found:

“

It doesn't matter what you do behind the scenes, it matters what you do to show off to people, then people will really be proud of you.

”

Joletole (talk | contribs) 03:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Divider

Um, last time I checked, showing off was bad...
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 03:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

If you show off to much, then yes, but, people will respect you of you have something REALLY good to show off.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 03:18, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Good is an opinion. I got banned for doing exactly what you said in another forum. IDTS. UYRWMTBB...
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 23:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Wow, how'd i miss this discussion? Actually, i have a rather good idea, and it starts with "vac" and ends with "tion". ;) I'll give my input on it even though it's a little late.

I've never liked it when people obsessively edit their userpages. You might even call it a pet peeve of mine. I have nothing wrong with creating and improving templates - if they're positive improvements, and useful templates, i say to go right ahead! It's about as good as improving the actual wiki content. Though if you've done as much of that as me, i would give you a break. ;P If you have no idea of what to edit, here are some ideas:

• Try to fix double/broken redirects
• Fix disambiguation links
• Write more tutorials
• Go through Special:WantedPages and see what is an actual article candidate
• Revisit the wiki's policies (just be careful)
• Take a break from the wiki for a couple days

I'm not sure what this showing off thing is about, but i'm not sure i like it. Showing your accomplishments is fine (for example, "what do you think of my recent editing spree?"), but plain showing off doesn't sound like such a good thing. I also want to remind certain people (who i won't mention by name) to make sure to keep their postings calm and composed, and not to get mad at how people are doing things, as long as their not against the actual Scratch Community Guidelines.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:43, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Vacuum suction?

In any case, glad to see you back. I don't think this conversation was ever really resolved, but I stopped responding as it seemed to be escalating.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 22:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

LOL. I thought it was vacuum too :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Time to archive?

This page is 32KB now.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

We can't archive because there is an active "discussion".

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Once it hasn't been responded to, we archive. Or, we don't archive the active discussion, but archive the rest of the page.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

We archive the portal when we get somewhere around 22 topics/posts, depending on the length of each discussion. They aren't very long.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 20:19, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

20 discussions, 32K+ bytes, I say we should archive. --
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 21:08, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

SDS.

Please add the new sds! Thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

new template

See User:Curiouscrab/Sandbox. Is a duplicate article template necessary?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 21:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Although that template does serve a good purpose, we already have a template that has a wider range of uses and works just as well. If you see a duplicate of an article, then it would be best to add {{NotUseful}} to the top of the page, and then add a message to the talk page explaining why you added it (so, why you think it's a duplicate). :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 00:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

It could be created to be put inside that template to make things easier.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 21:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

categorizing userpages

Should we create the category userpage, but then protect it to prevent users from completing it? It would help prevent what happens a lot. Same with category user, and user talk.

P.S. I'm testing autosign with this.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs)

lol, autosign made it look as if Mathfreak231 put his sig on here randomly.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 15:28, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

This was suggested before, and has already been denied. Make sure you search thing's before you post them here.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 23:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I posted this more to test autosign, which so far has been successful.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

No. Categories, on this wiki, are used for organisational structuring of content and files related to such content; userpages don't fit within the criteria. Also, what's autosign?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Automatic signing instead of using <scratchsig></scratchsig> or ~~~~ or if a user forgets to sign.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 15:28, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Curator

donahue33

is the new curator

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The little box thing wasn't really necessary.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 01:13, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I edited the curators article, as well as the list of curators... Now we just need the events updated, and whatever else.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

2.0 Beta Release Date

Are we going to add the 2.0 Beta Release Date (January 28) to the list of announcements? And also the 500 new testers?
Kayybee (talk | contribs) 05:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)kayybee

500 new testers? Source?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 14:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Well the source is in 2.0. One of the topics.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 21:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh wait I got an invite lol
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 21:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

3,000,000th project

today at 12:33 central time, 3 million projects were achieved. this is it:http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/kimmy123/3000000.
Wes64 (talk | contribs) 18:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Awesome! Updated the news and timeline.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I was so close. :( The creator of the project was inspired by a project I created to celebrate 3,000,000 projects. :)
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 20:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I think she just wanted to do it because 3,000,000 million project were coming up, not because of you.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 21:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Before they made the project they visited one of my 3,000,000 projects and told me that they wanted to have the 3,000,000th project. I deleted the project accidently while removing the rest of my 3,000,000 projects and when I tried reuploading it the comment had been deleted.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 03:13, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

new cur.

 Done

ProgrammingPro01 is curator exactly when this post is made.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Maybe a article on it would be great?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

How can someone vandalise on Scratch?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 21:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

You scared me there; i thought you were reporting vandalism! +1 to veggie.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 21:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

She means on the wiki.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 21:13, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

The wiki is about Scratch, though, not the Scratch Wiki. That'd be a good article for the Meta Scratch Wiki though. :)
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

There should be some articles about the wiki itself; and the title will make it unique. Maybe add the word "WIKI" before the title? Or maybe to categorize the page. I don't know. Maybe it would be better.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Put in the title Scratch Wiki:Vandalism so you know it's Scratch Wiki stuff. And veggieman001, you're an admin. Why are you goofing around with just kidding pranks?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 04:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

But what do we really need to say about vandalism? It seems self-explanatory... and if it were to exist, one'd probably call it Help:Vandalism because it'd fit more in that namespace (like how not to vandalise?? iunno). I don't completely understand the idea; it'd be nice if you made a draft of what you mean in your userspace and linked to it here. :)

And am I not allowed fun?? I'm not hurting anyone. :"(
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 05:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ All pages in the category Help already come with Media Wiki and don't need to be created unless absolutely needed (as in wiki closing down because something keeps happening) I would support it more if we actually had vandalism.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 15:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Also @veggieman001, big responsibility comes with big jobs. You have to give some things up to have a role in the wiki. I'm right now giving up time to reply to your questions instead of making a Scratch project that could be featured one day.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 15:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually, we can create our own help pages if we want. Lucario actually wanted to completely redo the help pages at one point, to make it better suited to our wiki...

Being a wiki admin certainly does not disqualify one from joking around. I'm a wiki admin and a CM and i do it all the time!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:19, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Lucario621 told me that he wasn't planning on doing it, so he probably won't.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 17:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

You're wrong—I've made a help page, Help:Script image editing. ;)

See, the thing with a vandalism article at this point is that there's not really anything to put in it. Yes, we've had it, but what would one write about it related to the wiki? List all occurrences? That wouldn't be necessary though. I think if people really want to know about it, they can look at Wikipedia's policy, because ours is very similar.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 17:54, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

I don't think this belongs here, but HAPPY NEW YEAR! HAVE INTERNAL JOY AND HAPPINESS IN 2013!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't particularly belong, but whatever. Happy New Year to you too.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I think we all can let it slide. HAPPY NEW YEAR! :D
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

How do you make a redirect page? Thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:31, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

See Help:Redirects.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Category help

How do you link a category to its page? Like Scratch and Online, but [[Category:something]]seems to break it. Thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

[[:Category:Scratch Wiki]], like so.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 09:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Why do some images display a weird line of pixels at the bottom?

Almost always block images. When I download them, open them in Scratch, export them, convert them back to a png, and finally upload them, the weird pixels are gone, but the file is almost twice as big. Does anybody have an explanation? Also, sometimes one row of pixels is missing, rather than an extra row of static.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried simply refreshing? I've occasionally seen that too, but manual refreshing fixes it (leading me to believe it's some sort of caching issue).
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Curator

 Done

There is a new curator, pokemongardevoir. An admin needs to update the news.
Coinman (talk | contribs) 22:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Accident

 Done

User:Interest and User:Dynamic-OS were both accidently created, please deleted it, i never ment to make a user page and edit it. Also, I did not use the {Accidently created} template because I did not want to further edit the page! Thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, no problemo. It's OK to use the accidentally created template if you do that btw.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I never thought my template would be so useful!
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup

We should clean up the wiki of inactive users and orphaned pages?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:27, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

How would we clean it of inactive users, and why? People do come back sometimes.

And yeah, working on un-orphaning pages is good.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)