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Category:User Page

So, I was thinking of a new Category, and this one came to mind. Do you think this is a good idea?
Joletole (talk | contribs) 00:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Definently! There also could be a "Sandbox" subcategory.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 01:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think we will be doing this. You can see a list of all of the editors on the wiki at Special:ListUsers, and from there you can go to each of their user pages (if they have one). As for sandboxes, they are not really significant enough to be categorized and organized. User pages may be useful for explaining one's history with Scratch to other editors, but they are not socially-oriented pages that deserve their own directory.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 02:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, please don't create new categories and make other changes to the wiki that might affect multiple pages without first getting an admin's approval (admins include Scimonster, Veggieman001, JSO, myself and a few others). Its okay to discuss/brainstorm ideas on talk pages and make mock-ups on sandboxes, but don't actually make changes to the main content of the wiki until you're given permission. If you make a mistake, we will have to undo a lot of edits, which can take a long time.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 02:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Get rid of the contents box

How do I remove a "contents" box, or move it? I want to delete the box on my talk page.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 20:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

__NOTOC__, if I recall correctly.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. That works.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 00:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Can I use a template in a URL?

What I mean by that is can I do something like this: [[http://www.someurl.com|{{Some Template}}]]?
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 00:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, to link to an external site, you do [http://www.example.com link title], but yes, you can.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:57, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't seem to get {{User:Technoboy10/Like My Page}} to link to User:Technoboy10/Like My Page.
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 15:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

It won't link on the page itself.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, ok.
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 15:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:color

We could have a template:Color which shows something like this:     I'm planning to add a couple of articles on computer coloring (which model Scratch uses, translation to other models like RGB, how to make colors lighter/darker/redder). It'd also be useful in various articles which mention colors, like the Report Button and BBCode.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 10:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and another thing: how do I get a list of all subpages of my page?
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 12:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Forget it, I figured it out...
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 12:55, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

New curator

There's a new curator. The front page needs to be updated (Lunastar- I think)
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 17:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yep, Lunastar-. Updating now.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Wait, isn't it Yoshiboy now? (today is the 2nd of July)
Scratcher5000 (talk | contribs) 4:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Not yet. He said it was July 4th that he starts.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually Paddle2see said that it was today, and the Scratch team made a mistake. And Yoshiboy told me that his shift starts in the evening. But thanks anyways!
Scratcher5000 (talk | contribs) 20:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You're right Scratcher5000 - I see him on the front page now! I'll update the news on the wiki now. :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 23:21, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Combining articles about similar pen blocks

I'm glad to see all of the recent editing of articles about the pen features in the Scratch program! Most of the articles that cover the individual blocks look fine, however I think there are some articles that could be combined because of their similarities. Specifically, Set Pen Color to () (number block) and Set Pen Color to () (color-picker block). The articles include relatively the same content, with the exception that they have different input types. For this reason, I think they can easily be covered in a single article, just like Turn () Degrees (blocks). Who is interested in working on this? :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 22:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 10:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Set Pen Color to () (block) There you go.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:49, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Scratch2 Skin

I know Lucario told us not to use it yet, but can I look at the skin just so I can see the stylesheet?
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 12:56, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it should be fine. Just remember, it's not done, so the styling may change. There are actually two stylesheets it loads, the last time i checked. Just add ?useskin=scratch2 to the end of any page to use it.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 15:04, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

List of Scratch plugins

Do you think we could have an article on that? We could include Greasemonkey scripts like Sci's message shower, the new post count shower; sparks' image APIs, a few bookmarklets, etc. Thoughts?
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 13:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it'd be a good resource to have
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 05:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

+1 :D

What's the link to the post count shower? I didn't see it...
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

It's on the ATs. BRB with a link.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 10:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=99665
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 10:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll check it out when i'm able.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:47, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Custom bullets in lists!

So, currently lists look like this:

• 1
• 2
• 3

But they could look much better! We could replace those ugly squares with Scratch Cat silhouette thumbnails!

The code would look something like this:

.ul {list-style-image: url(img.gif)}

Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 13:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

JSO? You want to add it to scratch.css?

Use File:Meow .png
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant; except a tad bit smaller and maybe filled in black to be less distracting. So, yeah. JSO?
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 14:29, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Look like a good idea!
Bsteward (talk | contribs)14:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Good idea!
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 21:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

While the wiki shouldn't always be too serious, and some simplification would be good, I don't think this change is really useful. Wiki articles use a lot of bullet points (also "nested") and replacing them all with a colorful Scratch cat would be very distracting and uncomfortable to read.
JSO (talk | contribs) 21:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

If you look up, you'll notice I explicitly stated it should be a silhouette to be less distracting.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 02:52, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

will included?????

on the main page it says on the "How Do You Use Tags" "will included"☺
Coinman (talk | contribs) 02:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

your welcome
Coinman (talk | contribs) 14:33, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Templates adding categories

I've been questioning this. We have several templates that add pages they're used on to categories (examples: {{stub}} adds to Category:Article Stubs, {{NotUseful}} adds to Category:Pages in Question of Usefulness, etc). The lists can just be obtained from the What links here link! So, do we need these categories?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I think it's nice to categorize articles like that — "articles in progress" looks like a valid category.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 12:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, they might seem like valid categories, but they're just duplicating an existing list. They also throw off Special:UncategorizedPages, showing them as categorized, when they don't have an acceptable category.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I say "Pages in Progress" is an acceptable category... :/
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 12:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Although those are valid arguments scimonster, the What links here page can include other pages that the other template may only be linked to on (not actually transcluded), such as on pages that explain how templates work. Also the What links here page page includes all of the pages that use the template, while the category only contains pages on the main namespace.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 19:22, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

1. The last time i checked (about 5 seconds ago), the WLH page has 3 filter links: Hide transclusions | Hide links | Hide redirects Simply clicking "Hide links" should do it, because i don't think we have template redirects.
2. Only on a few, it does that. And it can be useful to see pages using it in other namespaces as well. And the WLH page of course has a select button to choose what namespace.

Seems like the Special pages are pretty good at what they do.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

You have some good points scimonster - there are quite a lot of filter options. However a category has the advantage that there is a talk page (for discussing changes to the category or the articles in the category), and it is easier to link to. Again, that doesn't say a lot, but Wikipedia uses categories with their stub templates, and I'm pretty sure they have a good reason for it. I posted a message there earlier today, hopefully I'll get a response soon. :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 03:40, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

It's pretty easy to use the template talk page, and if we didn't need the categories, they wouldn't have talk pages. :P How is it easier to link to? For wiki newbies, it's harder, because you need special syntax. A plus for categories is that it's possible to sort them, sort of (pun :D), but i don't see that as a huge advantage, especially with the relative size of our wiki compared to Wikipedia.

Oh, have i told you i prefer "Scimonster" capitalized?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:53, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You might want to bring up all my points to the WP editors; they don't seem to have really gotten it. I don't have a WP account, and don't plan on getting one just yet...
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:25, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You realise you can anonymously edit Wikipedia, right?
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 18:11, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

And give out my IP address to everyone? No thanks.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Not really sure how that's a security risk, but okay.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

@scimonster: By "easier linking", I mean that [[:Category:Article stubs]] is shorter (and easier to remember) than http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Stub&hidelinks=1&namespace=0. Also, the talk page of Template:Stub is generally intended for discussion of improving the template itself, not the articles that use the template.

Anyway, the discussion I had on Wikipedia was here. Right now I'm still not okay with removing any of the categories.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 23:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

That's true, direct linking to the WLH page is longer...

You forgot your sig in your last post there. :P Anyways, that makes sense for Wikipedia, because they have hundreds of stub templates and categories. We only have one, so the hierarchy doesn't apply so much here.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:14, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

True. But we could start categorizing articles with {{Expand}} into a category named "Articles to expand" for example, and then put Category:Articles to expand and Category:Stubs in some kind of broader category. That's just an idea though. :P
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 16:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

We're never going to have the hundreds of types of stubs that Wikipedia does. We just don't have room for that kind of expansion. I still don't think it's necessary.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

How do you seperate lines that are on one line?

How, if you don't want them on the same line?
XComputers (talk | contribs) 01:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what you want here...

PS: This goes on the Community Portal, so i'm moving it there and deleting Category talk:Help.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

something<br/>somethingelse?
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 10:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

You can also just put two newlines between something.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 15:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

current events mistake

uhh, you have on the front page current events section, June 04 2012, Yoshiboy gets curator spot... shouldn't that be July 4th? and it's not July 4th yet.
11:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it should be July 2^nd
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 13:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

look at your timestamp. It's July 3rd
11:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Scroll down here.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 13:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

The only thing right about the date was the year. :P
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank goodness that was right.
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 15:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)