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How about we...

How about we make a page with all the electives running for Community Modertor and there speeches, so if someone doesn't know where to look for the speeches, they can look here! :)
Joletole (talk | contribs) 20:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's really necessary. All of the pages are in a single thread in the announcements forum - it doesn't get more complicated than that. We can have an item in the news on the main page for the elections, but an article or sub-article for the topic isn't needed.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 20:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

maybe a link the forum page on the "moderator" wiki page (since it breaks up the elections anyway)?
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 01:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Media Wiki Update

The Scratch Wiki is using version 1.15.3 of MediaWiki released over 2 years ago. Newer versions fix bugs and security issues. They also add new features. Maybe it is time for an update.
Bsteward (talk | contribs)22:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I do agree, although the skin might break. JSO?
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 22:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

+1
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 03:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Updating MediaWiki is quite complicated because we use a whole bunch of extensions (both custom one's and widely used ones) that probably break when we would upgrade. As a lazy man might say... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" :D Although if new versions of mediawiki would provide important new functionality, an update is worth considering.
JSO (talk | contribs) 11:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, maybe you should check out what was added in new versions, then decide whether we should update.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever seen the awesome new editor in Wikipedia? It comes in the WikiEditor extension which is only compatible with MediaWiki 1.17+ (Preinstalled in Media Wiki 1.18). You can allso take a look at the new features in MediaWiki 1.16, MediaWiki 1.17, and MediaWiki 1.18.
Bsteward (talk | contribs)12:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Nothing too spectacular in those changelogs, it seems. Although WikiEditor looks interesting.
JSO (talk | contribs) 13:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

You could make a copy of the Scratch Wiki, upgrade it, and do some testing to see what works and what breaks.
Bsteward (talk | contribs)20:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Good idea.
Okofish (talk | contribs) 23:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Uploading image problem

So, I'm trying to upload a GIF for the "Barrier Grid Animation" page, but it says "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file." every time. The file name is correct, and the image is not deleted.

Here's the link to it, I put it on Dropbox incase anyone else wants to try. The file
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 01:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I get the same error.
Bsteward (talk | contribs) 02:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Barrier-grid.gif

Tada!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 02:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 04:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Easy. I just used my admin powers to zoom the URL into the box. Like, really.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 04:34, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I wonder why it didnt work for me?
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 19:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Clarity and Conciseness

I've been rereading some of my Game-Tree article and some of it seems to overcomplicate the issue. I'd really appreciate it if someone could try to explain it in an easier-to-understand way. I'll try and fix it up tomorrow regardless, but if someone could shorten up some of the walls of text and try for conciseness and clarity, I'd much appreciate it.
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 03:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see anything wrong with it. I fixed a bit of grammar, changed some wording, and categorized. It was a great article!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 04:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Usually articles by people new to the wiki aren't so good, and need a bunch of fixing. I'll actually refer to that when making an app. (I want to sell it, so it won't be on Scratch.)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 04:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for categorizing and the fixes. I think your absolutely right about the articles; I suppose when I get some more experience under my belt, my articles can only improve. The only way I can go is up :)
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 12:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I meant that, usually, newbie articles aren't so good, but yours was great! Any other changes you wanted to make to it?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing it today. I'll let you know if there's anything I need. Thanks for the support! :)
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 12:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Partially Scratch-Related Topics

I know the wiki is meant for Scratch related topics. Can I make a tutorial about using FireMMO, for instance--FireMMO isn't directly related to Scratch. I know there is a rule against pages about Scratch projects. (plus I might want to include some history)
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 21:06, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Based on the thread about FireMMO here, I think having an article about it is certainly acceptable. It is Scratch related, and I think anybody interested about learning more about Mesh and other forms of Scratch multi-player would be very much interested in your article! :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 21:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Would it be acceptable to link to the article from other mesh articles. (I'm newer to the wiki...)
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 21:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Certainly! The easiest way is to have it as a "See Also" section at the bottom of the page: like this:

==See Also==

*Article name (link)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 21:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try that!
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 21:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Placing them in the same category is also a good way to connect pages.
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 11:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay!
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 01:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

SDS Change

The SDS changed to the topic All About Animals.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 19:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, we recently changed the theme gallery!
stevetheipad (talk | contribs)

Creating article

Can only wiki admins create articles?
Stevetheipad (talk | contribs) 21:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

no :P Just enter the title in the url bar after /wiki/ and start creating it :)
JSO (talk | contribs) 21:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

*votes for an easier way to discover how to create new pages* :D
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I think making a page is pretty easy.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 23:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

The natural way a Wiki- article is created, is not in the url bar, but with the new artikles [[Wiki-Link]] inserted in an other article. If you click that link, the adress in the url bar is in the right format for the new article and you can create it, so that it's Wiki-Link changes color from red (not existing artikle) to blue (existing article). Creating an article by its url adress is possible, but sometimes really tricky, specially if there are special characters in the articles name like spaces and umlauts (we have many in our German language). It's not the right way for unexperienced Wiki-Autors. But the link way is really as easy as it could be, so you need no better way. -
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 07:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Scratch in Wikipedia

Check out MartinWollenweber's post here :P Sorry if you think this doesn't belong here, but thought this would be a good place to advertise it.
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 21:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

An interesting suggestion. Would there be a "wiki" account on Scratch (mainsite)? And, out of curiosity, does the Scratch Wiki currently support embedding projects? Is this a question of "are we allowed to" or a statement of "we should be able to"?
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 01:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

One would also have to acknowledge that pages would take longer to load, and whether it is worth the added wait when such a project could simply be linked to. Especially since most people come to the wiki to reference, not in-depth learning (right?)
MoreGamesNow (talk | contribs) 01:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I've always wanted the Scratch extension here...

MGN has a valid concern about loading time. Maybe we should just link... IDK
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

In our DACH-Scratch-Wiki we often use Scratch Projects to explain something. Regarding the loading time: You can start to read the article before the Scratch project is loaded fully and later go to the interactive explanation of the project. So Scratch Projects are not a replacement for text an pictures but an important addition. Also Wikipedia could profit of it's own included version of a future release of Scratch. Scratch fits to wikipedia because it is perfectly sandboxed, can be edited inside a webpage(in the future) and most important every Wikipedia author can learn it very fast in comparisem to traditional programming languages. I could imagine that Snap! (the Scratch sucessor by Jens and Brain) would fit better to Wikipedia, because it uses HTML5 and Javascript instead of Java or Flash ( that both sufer under a technologie fight by apple against the rest of of the world...I love my iPad an iPhone, but I hate the "golden cage" apple wan'ts to put around) -
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 06:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Image tags re-enabled

It should be an event, as it happened today (and it's pretty big...). I already updated the Scratch Timeline, but the events is locked, so I need a Wiki Administrator to do that.
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 01:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning the event ^^
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 04:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Your welcome.
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 12:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Scratch File Format

Hi everyone! I just finished importing the little wiki I made to its new home at Scratch File Format, and tidied it up to make it all new and shiny.

Would you mind taking a look? It's intended to be a guide to anyone who wants to reverse-engineer the file format themselves (like I did in Python for Kurt) — so it may be a bit technical in places :P Hopefully it's still easy enough to follow, though :)

I quoted people off the forums (notably nXIII) in several places — can I just include what they said as part of the article, and then edit it to clarify/improve things — or should I just quote them exactly?

Many thanks! :)
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 11:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks a bit cleaner than the old wiki, I suppose
Bobbybee (talk | contribs) 12:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Woah. It's great to see a simple article by me evolve into something so complex and informative. Great job! :)
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 18:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! :)
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 18:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

You should quote the users directly.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Like I did, you mean? Okay. :) Thanks!
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 19:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Great work! That's very interesting for us DACH-Scratcher specially because we just started with our German Version of the Block Plugin, so I made a German entry in our Community Portal here.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 09:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Reference bug

I've noticed that in some articles, references show up a line below the text using it. See HTML Viewer.
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 14:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I've seen this all over the place and forgot to report it. It does kind of worry me, JSO must have done something with the parser.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 15:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Clear your cache.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed - clear your cache :) If it doesn't fix it, let me know.
JSO (talk | contribs) 19:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The magical solution, it would seem. :P Anybody know how to clear a cache on a mobile device?
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 21:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, it cleared on its own.
Technoboy10 (talk | contribs) 21:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Works perfectly.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 21:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

If you want to know what the problem was: I don't remember if it had always done this, but it put a <div id="cite-ref-0" class="anch"></div> right before the sup tag. The div was displaying block, so i added css div.anch {display:inline} to fix it.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Scimonster, please do not use MediaWiki:Common.css for changes to the wiki skin itself, and certainly not without any prior discussion. There are several reasons for this. First of all, all of the skin-related CSS has to be in the skin files, so that the skin can be deployed to other MediaWiki installations easily. If am asked for the skin, like with the german language Scratch wiki, I want to be able to send it to them and trust that it works just like I expect it to work.

Secondly, this is a wiki with quite some readers, with all different kinds of browsers. It's a site in "production". We just can't afford to change the site wide CSS on the fly without any testing or warning. Everything has to be discussed first, and if we agree it's a necessary tweak, I can alter the skin files.

Thirdly, clearing your cache or doing a full refresh, (shift-refresh, control-refresh, ... depending on your browser) is something you should always do when you are having trouble with changes made to the site's CSS. (certainly being a programmer yourself...) even though I probably posted my obvious "solution" after you pushed your changes to the CSS.

About the changes I made - I indeed slightly changed the anchoring system to allow it to work nicely in the new 2.0 layout I am developing.

Thanks in advance.
JSO (talk | contribs) 08:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

OK...
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

new mods

someone should update the main page :)
Roijac (talk | contribs) 13:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

It's on there. April 12th entry.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything bad about redirects?

I noticed Lucario has been removing redirects for some reason. Does he feel there's something wrong with them? What about other people? I'm completely fine with them.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 04:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

He has??? :O Luc needs to explain himself if that's true :D
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 04:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Though personally I find them rather useless because of the changed search engine...
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 04:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Where? And I do agree, there's really no point with this search.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 05:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It does quicken typing though.

[1] [2] [3] i could find right now.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 06:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

When adding links to articles I tend to avoid using redirects, but IMO yeah there's no need to hunt down redirecting links and change them :P
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 08:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... indeed I was doing it for maybe two or three edits but then I stopped, deciding that it was overall pointless. My mistake. :P
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 15:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

OK. :P

It is pretty pointless. :P
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Some more articles to feature

I figured you guys need some serious material to feature, so here goes:

• Collaboration (group)
• Translating Scratch website
• Exporting and Importing
• Single Frame
• Scratch File Format
• Scratch Secrets
• Shift Secrets
• April Fools' Day
• Scratch Terms Glossary
• Text/Number Sensors

And an image to feature:

• 

Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 07:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll do Text/Number Sensors in a few days, and i'll use that as the featured image. I wish we had more good images to feature...
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's another:

Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 11:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

For the aspiring advanced Scratchers:

Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 12:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Please start with Interwiki

Because our DACH-Scratch-Wiki is growing very fast, I think it's the right time to start with Interwiki. The international Scratch Community could profit much from that: Remember that the international Scratch-Forums started when German Community asked Andres for a German Forum: If other international Scratcher see a perfect German Interwiki functionality here, they will follow the example and build up Spanish, French and other languages Scratch-Wikis. The Scratch Team has nearly no additional work and risk with that, because Server-connection is not necessary for it (we host our DACH-Wiki ourself in Germany, independent of MIT-Servers): Interwiki is only about link-connection: So let's do it! :)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 07:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I would like to. And if the DACH wiki grows, it might even be endorsed by the Scratch Team, and hosted on the Scratch servers.

But for just linking, i see no reason not to.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like an idea with a lot of potential! It would be beneficial for German Scratchers to be able to click a link and immediately go to your wiki for an article of their language. :) On the Interwiki page, you suggested using a link like [[de:Scratch (Programmiersprache)]]. I'm wondering how we could add this feature - maybe JSO can find a way. Certainly we could use something like [http://wiki.scratch-dach.info/index.php?title=Scratch Scratch (de)] => Scratch (de), but it may not be as easy to use. What do you think? I like to hear what others think about this. :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 20:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

The Interwiki functionality is allready integrated in the MediaWiki and must only be configurated, see:Interwiki at www.mediawiki.org, for example Interwiki to Wikipedia works like this: [[wikipedia:Main Page]] and looks like this: wikipedia:Main Page. And with this Extension:SpecialInterwiki you can integrate it at the left side menu like in Wikipedia.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 21:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Woah, server crash?

The forums and main site appear to be down. D:

FluxBB error:

An error was encountered

Error: Unable to connect to MySQL server. MySQL reported: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111.

'Main site: all rows are blank except for friend's latest projects, no other projects are shown. My stuff gives a 404.

Scratch Team: What went wrong?
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 08:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Not sure... some system error.

I got a nice picture for my 503 service unavailable game though! :P [4]

I hope it'll be back soon though. :3
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

XD
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 10:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that too :P
Slinger (talk | contribs) 09:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess they somehow crashed the SQL...
Roijac (talk | contribs) 09:48, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

The whole site seems to be down from here.
Bsteward (talk | contribs)11:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

They have fixed it now. :DD
ProgrammingFreak (talk | contribs) 12:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit count

How do I include the edit count in my user page? If I put in {{Special:EditCount/Hardmath123}}, it ends up on a new line. Also, I want the stats (i.e. the percentage of edits on each page). Can I do that?
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 13:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

It always ends up on a new line. :/

I don't know how. :S
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Upload ZIP

I need to upload a ZIP file for the Porting article (it's an Xcode project which can be edited for your own project). But I can't seem to get the uploading to work. The error is that the file appears to be empty. :/
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 12:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, we've had that issue with trying to upload files that aren't of the standard types. Not exactly sure why.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 13:41, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

GIF is a standard type and it gave me the same issue.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 19:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Scratchblocks has an error

when gf clicked
forever
 do some stuff
end

^this Forever loop has a bump on the bottom. I can stack it. Look:

when gf clicked
forever
 do some stuff
end
do moar stuff

Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs)

Yeah, I never put "end" tokens after forever loops:

when gf clicked
forever
 do some stuff

Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 05:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Putting "end" makes the loop. Just leave it off.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

How do you explain this?!

I typed in ~~~~ and it turned into

I wonder if it still is doing that!

EDIT: It is, I just had to change it manually to wolvesstar97.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 17:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Uh, it looks like you manually changed it to with an 'f' and then back again...
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 19:38, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I changed it to wolvesstar97, then to wolfesstar97 to test.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 19:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Your original edit when you added this had a 'v'.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 19:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, it looks like Hardmath signed for you above, since you didn't sign, and accidentally misread your name. :)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 19:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.
Wolvesstar97 (talk | contribs) 19:53, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. At first I typed "wolfstar97", then I saw there were two s's, so I blindly added in another s. :P
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 13:33, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

New curator

Chanmanparty starts today. Someone needs to change the front page when the curators are switched (keep a lookout for that, admins!).
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 14:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Done :)
WeirdF (talk | contribs) 15:29, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I actively follow the curator discussion (I'm applying), so expect me to tell you about these often. :P
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 14:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Lol, good luck! :P
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 06:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)