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Community Portal Archives

Featured Article

Hey admins. You know that the featured article is almost a month old now. Shouldn't we update it?
Dazman (talk | contribs)

Normally we leave it up to Chrischb and Jonathanpb, I suppose I could update it...
WeirdF (talk | contribs) 20:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

It was actually our job? I thought it was voluntary...
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 23:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot about it. ^_^ FORGIVE ME PLEASE :O :P
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 23:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not your job, but last time I asked about it, Lucario told me that I should just leave it up to you guys...
WeirdF (talk | contribs) 06:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Meh... if I were you I'd update it anyway. :P
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 07:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to be a nag ,but we need to archive the community portal. It's getting kinda long.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 17:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh... I'll archive it later today. ^_^
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 22:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

We Should Have Moderators

I was just thinking, we have administrators and regular writers. Why don't we have moderators.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 02:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

It really isn't needed. For the amount of regular users on the wiki right now, it wouldn't be very practical. I like to think of it as "Administrators" being Moderators, and "Bureaucrats" being Administrators. It's a bit confusing; but it's sort of how MediaWiki works.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 20:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I guess. Its just I want to be an admin even though I know that probably won't happen so I was thinking that we could have moderators.

Dazman (talk | contribs) 06:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

But like Lucario said, we pretty much already have moderators, they're just called something different to what they're normally called. Think of Chrischb, Jonathanpb and me as moderators, and Lucario, JSO, andresmh and scratchteam as the administrators. Though Lucario is the most active of those, and scratchteam has never made a contribution.
WeirdF (talk | contribs) 08:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Now that we've finished moving servers, I can respond. xD

Things here (on the wiki) are different from other places... if we had moderators here, their job would be to check every edit and see if they're okay. But we don't need to do that, since every account here is specially approved; we don't have to worry about commercial spam or vandalism. :P

Administrators here are simply users that are given special tools - either because they'll be using them enough (the main reason), or because we need more people to have the tools (which definitely isn't a problem at the moment). Admins don't have to moderate or anything like that - we don't even have ban powers, it got moved to the bureaucrat group. :P

And the bureaucrats... they're for the Scratch Team. JSO's a bureaucrat because he manages the database server control stuff, and I'm not very sure why Lucario's a bureaucrat. xD

So think of the bureaucrats as the Scratch Team and admins as normal users that get special powers. :)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 04:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Dazman - if you feel that you'll be using the powers enough (maybe a few times a month?), and that you won't be leaving the wiki anytime soon, go apply for adminship (hey, you said you wanted to be an admin :))... um... at the Community Portal? :P
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 10:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Its that easy? So I just apply by making a new post on the community portal and by meeting whatever requirements you have?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 23:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose... it's not a 100% chance of approval though. But you have nothing to lose, so if I were you I'd apply. xD
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 01:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. How do I apply? Do I just say "Hey I want to become an Admin?" on the CP?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 04:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess so, and a 'speech' will help. :) (Why am I the one managing this? :/ :P)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 07:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Probably because your an administrator :/
Dazman (talk | contribs) 18:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Moved, but still in trouble

Hi everyone, we moved the servers but there are still quite some problems around. Try to paste your changes into notepad before submitting.
JSO (talk | contribs) 16:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

How come the Site Notice says the severs are being moved and there will be no edits? The servers have been moved and we can edit... But I think it should say something about no new accounts being created...
WeirdF (talk | contribs) 09:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, edit the notice then, admin (MediaWiki:Sitenotice). xD

Eh, if we can edit, I will edit! :D (But I'm feeling a bit tired at the moment.)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 10:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not dead BTW.
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

There are still lots of links on the Help page...

Are they under construction? It's been a while... ^^'
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I CAN'T STAND THE LOOK OF THE RED LINKS :O :O :O
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 01:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

On the Help:Editing Pages? I can just copy those from Media Wiki Site. UPDATE: We could also copy the Media Wiki site for Help:Contents page.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 04:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Help:Tracking_changes Made :)
Dazman (talk | contribs) 06:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Get dah halp pagez hear

Created Help:Navigation - I tried to upload some pictures for it, but there was an error... :/
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 07:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The red links are almost destroyed!
Dazman (talk | contribs) 08:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

On the Special:WantedPages Page do you want to go around removing links to articles that we don't really need? Do we really need a page on what an edit summary is? We should remove links on the wiki to pages like that.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 17:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

GUYS!!!!! I DID NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION FOR YOU TO CREATE HELP PAGES. I feel like I've mentioned this a hundred times... Despite being harsh, I'm doing to delete this pages-

Oh wait. These aren't half bad xDDDDD.

I am angry, as I did not give you guys permission, but you seemed to follow most of the guidelines and did a pretty good job. There's still some things I'll modify, but I guess you're *ok* for now :P. But honestly you gave me a heart attack there xD. They grow up so fast... :P
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 19:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha what were you so afraid of?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 22:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, right... we forgot, everything has to be approved by Lucario first. But come on, we're all not as hopeless as you think.
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

And you weren't doing it anyway.
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Lucario, there's nothing that makes us have to get permission from you.

I'll continue with the help pages, since there's no reason for me to stop and because they should be finished.
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 22:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually for help pages though, I have told you specifically to let me work on them. Don't you remember? See here. My position about that hasn't changed since then. But, now that you've started, it's silly to stop working on it again, so yeah, go finish creating all of the help pages. I'll fix anything that I see is incorrect.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 18:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay then... [defiance]but you weren't doing them anyway, as I said. xD[/defiance]
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 23:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry...
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 23:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

All help pages done now...
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 05:22, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, should we link to mediawikiwiki:Project:PD_help/Copying in Help:Contents?
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 05:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

@Chrischb: Yeah... :P

@Jonathanpb: Good that the help pages are done... but I don't think we need to have that link; I don't see any reasoning behind that.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 22:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Pages that need editing

I think that there should be a page where anyone can add pages(that are created or not created) and anyone who wants to edit anything can look into that page and edit the required pages.

Subh (talk | contribs) 11:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

We do have a list of wanted pages Special:WantedPages
Dazman (talk | contribs) 17:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Application to become a Scratch Administrator

Hi everyone! I'm Dazman. I am writing this to tell everyone why I want to become an administrator on the Scratch Wiki. As of today I have been working with the Scratch program for 2 years, 8 months, and 10 days. Thats a lot of Scratching! I understand that some may question my experience with the Scratch wiki, considering that I have only been a contributor on the Scratch Wiki for 22 Days. However, in that short period of time I already have over 200 edits and I have created a handful of pages that I beleive are helpful. I hold my work on the Scratch Wiki to a high standard and I am a very active contributor. Considering the amount of time that I have spent on Scratch, I am moderately knowledgable at most aspects of the Scratch Program and its associated websites. Thank You. I hope that I can become a great Wiki Administrator! I scratch and the scratch wiki! I wil always stay active!
Resume:

• I joined Scratch on 2/21/2008
• I joined the Scratch Wiki on 10/9/2010
• I currently have 104 projects on scratch.
• I have over 200 edits on the scratch wiki.
• I have authored over 20 pages!!! (21 to be exact)
• I LOOVE Scratch!
  Dazman (talk | contribs) 18:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Great umm... "resume" Dazman :P! You definitely look like a really great contributor on the Scratch Wiki. And even I have noticed; you have made really great edits, and have gotten a hand of things very well; and have also made many good suggestions.

But, with all due respect, I feel that we have enough administrators right now. For the amount of activity within the wiki at this time and the number of current contributors, there isn't any need for many more. If anybody needs to have a page deleted or needs to have a special admin-only task done, then they can always just ask an administrator, like Jonathanpb, Chrischb, me, or WeirdF.

For the most part, you really qualify 100% for being an administrator. But unless one of the other administrator drops out or becomes much less active for a period of time, there won't be any added administrators.

Thanks,
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 19:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok no problem. Johnathan suggested that I at least try since I wanted to be one. No harm in trying right :D.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 22:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

*cries* At least he needs to use the tools... [I think so at least xP]
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Aw, I'm sure that Dazman would be using the tools. :( Sowwee Dazman...
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 22:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Its no problem. I wasn't entirely expecting to get accepted.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 23:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I bet he could use the tools; but for the amount of contributors right now, it's not needed. He can just "click report and explain the situation" (ask an admin), and then the "moderator" (admin) will act on it. Hopefully you will become an administrator in the future Dazman
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 21:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay sounds good. I just want to make sure that I'm on your list if you have an opening :D
Dazman (talk | contribs) 18:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Lowercasing bulleted elements

I was comparing one of the help pages on the wiki that was recently created, to the one on mediawiki.org - and I noticed, here, the bullets had the text capitalized, like this

• This

compared to this:

• this

I was wondering - which should we do? Most wikis choose the later, as each bullet technically isn't starting a new sentence, so... what do you think? It would be a worthy task to change everything, but it couldn't hurt. What do you guys think?
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 19:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I like to capitalize things. Thats probably one of the articles that I wrote.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 22:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I like it lowercased... :/ (OH WOW I AGREED WITH LUCARIO ON SOMETHING)
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I likez it lowercased... :3
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 22:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it depends on the situation. If it is a list has elements that aren't sentences, I say lowercased, like

These are my favorite foods:

• peanut butter
• lasagna
• pizza

However, if the elements are sentences, I say uppercased, like

What happened in 2009:

• Obama became president.
• Michael Jackson died
• Avatar was released.

scmb1 (talk | contribs)

The second one's only capitalized because the sentences there begin with names. :P But I do agree with you. :)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 08:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Duh! :P What was I thinking? I'll try again...

What happened in 2009:

• In America, Obama became president.
• The singer Michael Jackson died
• The movie Avatar was released.

scmb1 (talk | contribs)

I always capitalise bullet points, I think it looks more professional...
WeirdF (talk | contribs) 13:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

In that second example however, you really shouldn't have been using bullets in place of spacing out a paragraph. It should have just been:

In 2009, Obama became president in the USA, pop star Michael Jackson died, and the movie Avatar was released.

Or if you really wanted to use bullets for a long list, you should have done it the way in the first example ;).

I'm leaning towards lowercased bullets, but I still want some more feedback.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Aw, you dudes are picky... :P Ok, here I go again (I'm tired of 2009)...

Examples of complete sentences:

• My dog is brown.
• George sleeps.
• Bananas are usually yellow.
• What is your favorite color?
• Halloween and Christmas are Jordan's favorite holidays.
• This is a sentence!

I vote for lowercase, except when the bullets are sentences.
scmb1 (talk | contribs)

I agree with smcb1.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 20:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree - but bullets shouldn't be sentences in the first place ;). If it's a sentence, than just put it with the previous paragraph.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 21:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

But what if we want a list of sentences like the list of milestones on my User Page?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 21:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Well that's a list of dates :P...

I supposed I can conclude though that either way, for the most part it should be lowercase, but there are some situations when bullets can be capitalized. :) Is that reasonable?
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 22:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds Good :)
Dazman (talk | contribs) 05:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Tool Bars

I think that whenever we visit a User Page, It should have a toolbar, similar to the one that me and JSO have on our User Pages for easy navigation. I dont like the difficulty of having to find a link or remember the URL for a users talk page, contributions, etc. My Toolbar JSO's Header. Having these tools makes navigating a users page much simpler.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 21:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that would be cool. :D (Could I copy you and put that in my user page?)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 23:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure!
Dazman (talk | contribs) 23:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I could do it for you if you want.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 04:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

What do you think about my Idea JSO? Also can you fix the photo uploading thing?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 18:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to say no, because it's really not a needed feature. This is because user pages aren't as important on this wiki as it is on this wiki, because here the accounts are connected to the main Scratch website, the opposite of most other websites.

This brings me to a point that I've made on previous discussions, which is that I don't want users to be attracted to the wiki by the feature of "having a page all about yourself." So I feel that we shouldn't have a toolbar on user pages :).

For now I'll say that it's *ok* to create your own, but I'm not going to necessarily encourage it. I hope you understand :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I see your point ,but I'm not exactly sure that Scratchers will go crazy about having a toolbar on their page. I just think it would be a convenient feature. I do however completely understand your concern so maybe we should just keep things simple.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 03:53, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"I'm going to have to say no, because it's really not a needed feature."? Can I have a link to something that proves you have the power to veto like the Scratch Team?
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 04:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Lucario, you don't (and shouldn't) have the power to veto things. That's for the Scratch Team. :/ Your opinion is worth just as much as ours... And... *rolls out FAQ* Decisions are made democratically by the community. (I'm getting tired of you acting like a leader... >_>)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 04:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should cycle through bureaucrats so that no one stays in power for to long. Jeez... since when did this wiki turn into politics?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 07:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Staying in power for too long? Being a bureaucrat doesn't make you a leader, it just lets you edit the user rights.
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 09:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Then shouldn't all administrators be bureaucrats?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 18:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

@Dazman: No, because then all of the administrators would be able to make everybody they want into administrators, and it could turn into a big war crazy thing. This is similar to how only the Scratch Team can turn other Scratcher accounts into Scratch Team or Community Moderator. In this way, it's not practical to have being a bureaucrat something to cycle through.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 21:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

If Anyone Wants Me to Make a Toolbar Just Ask

Hey If anybody wants to get a toolbar for their user and talk pages I can make one for you. I have my toolbar listed above.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 18:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Can we create accounts yet?

Just wondering...
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 05:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't a new account created today? The one for the user Maki-Tak?
Dazman (talk | contribs) 06:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I made that one ages ago... :P
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 07:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Adding "(Community Moderator)" onto quote?

I noticed Chrischb removed the text "(Community Moderator)" from the quote on an article (which wasn't necessarily wrong). See it here. So I wanted to start this discussion to decide whether we should have it or not. I think we should; because it is a bit relevant. For example, if we quoted andresmh saying something such as "Scratch 2.0 will be made with flash", obviously readers would want to know if that person is from the Scratch Team, right? So I think the same applies with Community Moderators. Tell me what you think.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

That case didn't need the fact that he was a community moderator to be advertised - it wasn't like he was explaining the forums' upcoming updates or something.

In that case, the only thing was that he was talking to the Scratch Team - and anyone can do that with the "Contact Us" feature.
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 04:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there's a need to mention that coolstuff's a Community Moderator... :/
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 04:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

MIDI notes

Perhaps if you're bored, one of you could create an article on "MIDI notes" or something similar :).
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 23:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

First I'd have to know about it...
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 04:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know about MIDI... hey WeirdF, come here! :P
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 04:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Done :P
Dazman (talk | contribs) 05:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

You pwn Dazman... O_o
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 05:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. You pwn pretty well yourself!
Dazman (talk | contribs) 06:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Are there any more articles that you want Lucario???
Dazman (talk | contribs) 19:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Great job Dazman! Looks really nice. No specific article ideas off of the top of my head, but if I have one, I'll tell you ;)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 20:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you want me (or you :P) to add the diagrams I made for the sound blocks articles to that articles? (like this one here)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 01:06, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure If you think it will make the article better.
Dazman (talk | contribs) 02:12, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

We can't upload files

When you try to upload a file, you get the message: The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. Pweeze fix JSO! :O
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 04:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Pweeeeaaaze *Insert Image of Cat with Big Eyes and a Frown Face*
Dazman (talk | contribs) 07:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm working on it :)
JSO (talk | contribs) 14:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)