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Please make an article for making the painter's 3D algothrim

It's so non-laggy and high quality But the worst things are:

1. I can't write an article for it because it's too long to build

2. Even if I was able to make it, I don't know how to make the painter's 3D algothrim

PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello?
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 16:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "painter's 3D algorithm"
ContourLines [ Talk ~ Contributions ~ Directory ] 10:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposal: Create a citation template specifically for archives and web link, maybe running a bot for archiving links

Hi folks, I've been thinking about the possibility of standardization for more citations. The wiki has {{Cite post}} already, but not an uniform scheme for external links or archives, which could be easily done with a template.

• As another idea separate from the above, I think that there would be a bot that archives/looks to the archives and puts the archived link into template. That would probably require more extensive and exhaustive work which wouldn't be worth for this wiki, but also would help to not have link rots and keep us off from tedious archiving.

What do you think about it?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Formalizing policy on second person

Hi everyone,

This Wiki, with a few exceptions, does not allow use of second person in articles. In most cases I agree with this, but I think at some points we reach a point where losing clarity and/or directness to achieve this level of formality. Therefore, I propose that we have a few exceptions:

• Articles that have a very strong direct impact on users (examples include How do users get unbanned?, What should I do about unfriendly comments?, etc.)
• High severity warnings that could have major consequences if ignored (examples include the warnings in Account Deletion, Making Scratch Crash, etc.)
• Steps in tutorials (we have de-personified tutorials a lot so I don't have any existing examples of this)

In think in all of these, it is more important to be clear and direct rather than formal. Especially in the first two categories listed above, it is important that the article speak directly to the user. In the end, the most important goal of the Wiki is to provide information Scratchers need.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I think that it is merely a "guideline" which is accepted by the most of community and commonly enforced, but I hesitate from calling it as a "policy" which shall be enforced very strictly on all pages. I mostly agree about de-personification but at least some of the FAQ and how-to pages should be second-person due to their own nature.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I think this is partially already in effect. S:GUIDES states:

“

Never use first person ("I", "we", "let's") and avoid second person ("you", "your") as much as possible, unless the entire article is a tutorial, in which case it should still be used sparingly.

”

S:EC states:

“

In tutorials, use "you" only when giving instructions to the user. For other content within a tutorial article (such as explaining a concept but not giving direct instructions on how to apply it), follow the rule above and avoid using "you". In FAQ articles, only use "you" inside the FAQ box - in extra content, refrain from using "you".

”

That said, I think it may be a good idea to add more direct exceptions along the lines of what you have stated. I agree that we should value providing clear and understandable information over unnecessary formality in most cases.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 08:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Categorizing Redirects

Categorizing redirects makes them easier for others to find them and such templates would describe the redirects. The meta-template would be:

• [[:Category:{{{category}}}|{{{1}}}]]: This is a redirect {{{2}}}.

CodeLearnerSai (talk | contribs) 01:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

If you just want a list of redirects, we already have that built in to MediaWiki. I also don't really see any benefit to having categories of redirects.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I think that categorizing by the reasons of redirects or adding an explanation with a template would be useful to find out what are those redirects and their reasons.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  05:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

New page "Bitwise Operators"

It's not particularly necessary however I feel like a page touching on bitwise operators and their workarounds would be a nice addition to the wiki. I'm not completely sure on the practicality or general use of the page however and I want advice on whether I should try to create it or not. I've noticed a lot of more obscure pages such as heap though I want to know your thoughts. Thanks!

Virus6120 (talk | contribs) 04:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The topic is an interesting one, except how is it directly related to Scratch? The article you mentioned (heap), isn’t “obscure”, as the topic mentioned could be very useful when regarding lists. (there’s even a script you can use provided)
KangaCoder talk • contribs • profile 14:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@wangat: It needn't to be directly related to Scratch (at least per my interpretation, but there are examples), it can be related to the programming languages or computer science in general for being included in the Scratch Wiki. For example, we have a page for tutorials about different languages, and a separate category for the computer science. Other than that, I actually think that we'd also have a page about pointers, which would be useful (even if it doesn't make sense in Scratch at all).
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  15:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: In addition to what I've said before, we already have {{Third-party}} to differentiate what is directly related to Scratch and what isn't.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  15:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

That is sort of my line of thinking; I've noticed the Scratch Wiki also hosts general articles about programming that aren't directly related to Scratch. Plus, there are cases where I actually need bitwise operators for algorithms and such (implementing AES encryption in Scratch, don't know why I tried), and I believe they're versatile enough that they would be useful in a lot of cases.
Virus6120 (talk | contribs) 16:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

sha2 my guys

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

17:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Add info about Snap! 7.1

Snap! 7.1 has just been released and it may be a good idea to add info about it. (I don't feel ready to do an edit this big)
Source
SuperMarioHome (talk | contribs) 15:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Reference previews

The reference previews are not displaying for some reason. I remember that when I hovered on a number, it showed the preview for it. Was it changed to not display preferences or I have some settings turned off?
JackyBorderCollie (talk | contribs) 07:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Replacing file in Contents

Another file (File:TOC website.png) can be replaced by the vector version (File:TOC website.svg). The file dimensions will need to be specified and padding needs to be added below to make the image align with the other contents items (test at User:CrazyBoy826/Scratch Wiki Home.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 01:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

That image looks much worse than the png, so for the time being replace it with File:TOC website 3.0.png.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 22:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd argue the svg looks better, it just also looks more obviously different. I'd say this is probably something that needs discussion, though, so I've moved it here.

Those joining us on the CP: Which of the three images linked above looks better? And is it worth changing?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I think the File:TOC website 3.0.png looks better
Purvitekriwal (talk | contribs) 11:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I would say that File:TOC website 3.0.png looks better so I would say change it.
Adzboy (talk | contribs) 06:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Outdate template

I found 1 outdated template (Template:Forums). Can I update it?
Purvitekriwal (talk | contribs) 10:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What part of the template would you like to update? Everything looks okay to me.
KangaCoder talk • contribs • profile 13:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The All about scraych forum in archived forums and a few more forums which no longer exist so I would like to move then to archived forums area.
Purvitekriwal (talk | contribs) 08:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes. I see it. My prototype (omitting the noinclude section):

Ideapad-320 (talk | contribs) 18:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I will add it with all about scratch in archived forums section.
Purvitekriwal (talk | contribs) 11:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Should I make a page about wrgsfhwbxvb?

I know gibberish is considered not related to scratch, but this is a username of the first person to join scratch. So technically this is related to scratch. But the other question is that is being the first to join scratch an exception of users with pages that don't have wiki accounts?
Mr-Argon (talk | contribs) 17:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)Mr-Argon

wrgsfhwbxvb is mentioned in other articles, but I do not think it is notable enough to have its own separate article.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 18:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

The Things To Do Issue(No things to Do)

The issue is that it links. Community Portal Not Done. And there are a few/no things to do Potential Solutions:

• Make 2 versions of S:CPND (1 for discussions, 1 for things to do)
• Make 2 versions of S:CPND (Make Things To Do link to a page that is a list of things to do (possibly transuding/linking serval categories (Pages to Improve, and others).
• A Things To Do category

Ideapad-320 (talk | contribs)

Formatting Issue

I had made a template called {{User:Vdiu/UserpageLogo}} and when I used it on my wiki profile, the formatting extended to all the text under the template. How do I make the formatting only stay within the template?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile

To fix this, you need to close HTML tags. For example, if there is a <span> tag, it needs to have a corresponding </span> tag.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 14:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Where do I put the span Tags?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 09:35, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia link template

Many pages would benefit from a visible box with a link to Wikipedia articles. This would be similar to wikipedia:Template:Wiktionary, which has a box on the right with a link. For example, Solving Exponents could have a link to wikipedia:Exponent. Is this a good idea?
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 23:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, as long as the article can actually benefit from having it.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 05:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it really depends on the article and the corresponding Wikipedia article. The pages we use it on would have to benefit from the addition for it to be useful.
Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 16:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Abuse filter not working

Resolved (since 15:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC))

The abuse filter that stops users from uploading images without a category does not seem to be working, as a user uploaded an image without putting on a category.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 22:38, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Odd, doesn't the ignore warnings button let you do that? I've never actually used it so I don't know how it works.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 08:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

The ignore warning button does not ignore this edit filter. The filter seems to be working now, but earlier today, 3 non-EWs somehow uploaded files without any comment.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 01:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what's going on there then.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 05:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

All tutorials?

Resolved (since 15:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC))

In the scripting tutorial section with 129 or 128 tutorials in it, I noticed a tutorial on making a tycoon game isn't on the scripting tutorial category and I'm not talking about with a gubo on it I mean the updated list of tutorials so anyway I can have a list of every single scratch wiki tutorial without 1 missing?

TonGames (talk | contribs) 20:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)TonGames
TonGames (talk | contribs) 20:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Tycoon Projects is categorized as a project type. However, most of it is a tutorial, so that part could be split into a new article.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 22:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Community Portal Not Done is very large

Resolved (since 15:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC))

The Community Portal Not Done page is very big (240,679 bytes.)(I do not know if that is too big) We could make some discussions subpages. Here are the biggest topics: We need your help: Apply for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach":45,702 bytes Relax S:NOSP even more:45,553 bytes I could not find anything else nearly that big.
Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 00:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

The Not Done page is very long, but I don't think putting the discussions on subpages would benefit the page. It is easy enough to edit, as there are edit buttons on every section, and placing discussions on separate pages would make it harder for users to reply. (also, separating discussions would not reduce page load times)
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 02:06, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Template anonymous parameters don't work if they contain inline css

I just noticed that template arguments don't work with inline css. But i ran into an issue: Inline css makes the parameter act like it was not set. Here is the that is the parameter:<div style="color:red">Red Text</div>. And it works! The output is

Red Text

But as soon as I put a template around it:{{scratchwikiframe|title|<div style="color:red">Red Text</div>}}

title

{{{2}}}

The text does not work! Removing the style makes the expected result, but without the styling
(code:{{scratchwikiframe|title|<div>Text</div>}}) resulting in

title

Text

It does work if you use number = before the parameter:
{{scratchwikiframe|title|2=<div style="color:red">Red Text</div>}}

title

Red Text

Can someone please explain?
Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 16:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Welcome

Resolved (since 06:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC))

Hi, I've just made a Welcome Template so I was wondering - how do you know when a new wikian joins?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 14:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Check recent changes or the user creation log.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 15:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Where are those?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile

Recent Changes and New users. In addition, please remember to sign your posts with 4 tiles ~~~~ in future.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 16:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I've made the template and stuff, but there is one glitch - the border envelops all other posts under it. Can someone look at the Welcome Template and tell me the glitch?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done The 'enveloping' glitch was probably fixed around June 20th on the OP's welcome template.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 06:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Problem with list of curators article.

Resolved (since 15:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC))

In this article, the list of future curators is out of date. Past curators are still being shown on this list. As of today, two past curators and the current curator are still shown. I have raised this issue before, and it has been fixed but it looks like it is a recurring problem.
Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 16:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I have now updated the list of future curators on its page, but I cannot update the full list. Is it protected? Perhaps a bot could auto update this list otherwise it will be forgotten.
Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 16:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I made a mistake in my previous post. The list is updated by bots but the sub-page(Sorry if that's not the correct term) has to still be updated by users.
Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 16:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@jvvg is the owner, sole manager, and host (in a RPi) of the bot, WikiMonitor, that is designated to properly update pages. On any inquiries, problems, dysfunction and bug reports; please contact with the aforementioned user. There's nothing much that the rest of Wiki can do.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  22:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The list if past curators is automatically updated, but the list of future curators isn't and it isn't really possible to do so since it's not just reading a bit of JSON from the API endpoint for front page data. The most I would be able to do is remove the current curator from that list when they become curators, but we would still need humans to refresh it with new ones.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Homepage Logo

The current logo on the scratch wiki homepage's resolution is low. Apart from that, the scratch cat in that image is acutally a old one and there are no outlines for his body parts. I suggest it should be replaced with this:

This image is a almost exact copy of File:TOC_website.png, exept it's resolution is higher. If you zoom in the old one, you see lots of pixels but if you zoom in this one there are no pixels seen. Also, the Scratch Cat outlines are seen, making it more sharp and detailed.
My suggestion is to replace the old one with this.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 08:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I still prefer the current one though, just make the current one have a higher resolution.
starhero5697 • talk • 229 contributions • scratch profile 03:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I like this logo better, because it's design is more modern. The shading on the current Scratch Wiki logo looks unnatural on the glode and the cat in my opinion.
　-iviedwall-　‖　talk　contributions　🐱　  04:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Starhero5697, there are no outlines in the current one. This one shows the outlines bolder. Also, I'm not the only ome who has attempted to make the logo better. CrazyBoy826 has also made a logo for the wiki.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 04:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree, we could do with these improvements to the image. I think something like the SVG image you just showed us would be better.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 05:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Should we use this or this? I think we should use this because it is closer to the current image. The other one has a different globe in the background.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 06:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I think the one you uploaded (This one) is best.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 16:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I think none of these but a higher resolution of the current one as it is the logo of the wiki not of scratch. or atleast keep the logo just like the current jigsaw puzzle and just change the scratch cat face and also make the resolution higher because you need to change the side bar as well.
Purvitekriwal (talk | contribs) 05:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

For some reason I like the second one better, but the first one looks more professional.
starhero5697 • talk • 229 contributions • scratch profile 06:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Purvitekriwal, we aren't talking about the Scratch Wiki logo. We're talking about the one in the left box in the Table of Contents.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 07:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I have updated the image. Please let me know if anything looks off.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

First, the Scratch Cat's mouth looks unnatural because its outline thickness is lower than the other outlines, and it is slightly tilted. Second, Scratch Cat has thick outlines, but the globe doesn't even have outlines at all, which makes the image looks inconsistent and drawn by two different people. Honestly, I liked the older one.
　-iviedwall-　‖　talk　contributions　🐱　  04:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @jvvg, the TOC image is not only on the front page. It is also on these pages:
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Forum Categories
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Forum Categories/1.4
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Forum General
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Forums
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Front Page
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Front Page/1.4
Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Website General
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 10:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@-iviedwall-, the old one's outlines look even more unnatural, this one looks slightly more natural.
starhero5697 • talk • 229 contributions • scratch profile 10:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I have fixed the Scratch Cat's mouth.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 23:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Looks good!
starhero5697 • talk • 229 contributions • scratch profile 06:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed the old image's usage on every page excpet for the User namespace. I feel like this problem is resolved.
　-iviedwall-　‖　talk　contributions　🐱　  11:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@starhero5697 I kinda agree with you now.
　-iviedwall-　‖　talk　contributions　🐱　  11:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to count the number of times a page has been viewed?

Resolved (since 15:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC))

Suppose, there is a rick roll page and I want to count the number of times it has been seen. How do I do that?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 02:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I know the test Wiki shows that at the bottom of the page. I don't think that's in effect on this Wiki though. Look at the small text at the bottom of test:User:Adzboy.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 08:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Weirdly enough, there's no way to count pageviews for the English Wiki but it is totally possible to count with magic word in Test Wiki. The difference can also be seen from their respective Special:Version pages, where the Test wiki has "numberofpageviews" parameter in Parser function hooks (used for magic words) whereas the English wiki doesn't. So {{NUMBEROFPAGEVIEWS}} is a totally valid way to display view count in the Test wiki but not in English wiki.

I guess it has to do with the fact that the Test wiki displaying view count at the bottom of pages, but more investigation is required about why does that happen in Test wiki-only, even though they're at the same shared server and sharing almost same codebase. I guess it is because of an extension but I need to verify my thesis. Will look at it tomorrow.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Apparently the English Wiki used to have {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}}, but it was removed.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 19:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

(Edit conflict with CrazyBoy826) Looks like Test wiki has HitCounters extension which adds back the magic word removed in 1.25. A relevant extension is PageViewInfo, which gives out a fancier interface. Any requests for installation of extensions should probably go to here, not Admin Requests (the task isn't simple, nor does something that admins can do. only bcrats with ftp access - i.e. server backend access - can do that), but I've also privately informed some bcrats as well.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@CrazyBoy, do you have any idea of what the content of the template was?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Vdiu: While their syntax is similar to those of templates, they are not triggered by a template - they're called as magic words, which are embedded in software itself for triggering the software directly via creating hooks. Think like directing lights into a solar panel with a button you have pressed in, on which in turn solar panel would give out electricity as feedback. So, it's not really possible to create them via templates, they can be only done with extensions.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh. So they're coded in HTML?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 16:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ No, not completely. All of the calculations and processing are done on backend, mostly in a programming language called as PHP (or Hypertext Preprocessor ) for MediaWiki and its extensions. Only the output is in HTML so that your browser can understand it easily.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

September Featured Images

Resolved (since 05:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC))

Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for September. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below. Please also include an explanation for why you think the image(s) that you suggest should be featured.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:26, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Cool! I'll have a look around
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 12:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

How about File:Direction selector.png or File:Account settings.png?
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 12:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

How 'bout File:SDS list.png?
starhero5697 • talk • 229 contributions • scratch profile 13:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Special:Random/File can also be used to find files.

How about File:BitmapTools 2.0.png, File:1.0 motion.png or File:Featured Studios.png?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 15:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

How about File:Layering_Paint.png. It seems like a very interesting image showcasing what the vector paint editor can do. A great conversation starter really!
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  02:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

What about this?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Updated. Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 05:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 25^th, 2022

Welcome to the 40^th Thankful Thursday! August 25^th, 2022.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User	Thanks
smrman (talk | contribs)	Thank you for helping me with namespaces in Test Scratch Wiki when I was confused with redirects... Purvitekriwal (talk | contribs) 10:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Jammum (talk | contribs)	Thanks for your recent contributions! 78ch3 : [My talk] | [Contribs] | [Main] 23:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Thank you for making lots of great contributions! Adzboy (talk | contribs) 08:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
KangaCoder (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being an active EW! CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 04:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC) Thanks for working very hard and helping new users! Adzboy (talk | contribs) 06:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)	Thanks for creating categories for block shapes! CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 04:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
bigpuppy (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being very helpful and generally an awesome person Adzboy (talk | contribs) 07:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC) Thanks for making a amazing Custom Signature Wizard! It's really a wizard! Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 05:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Ametz807 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for making necessary edits to the Wiki. Almost all of your edits have been to mainspace, which is something you don't see very often. I hope you continue to be an active contributor to the wiki because you have already helped massively. Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 18:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

“

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next TT is, September 29^th, 2022 see you then!
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  10:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Awesome!
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 09:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikicode turning into arrows (Example: <br/>)

I was typing <br, a slash and a "greater than" symbol in nowiki tags, but then the last two characters turned into an arrow emoji in the preview. It has been there for a while but because it seems like I'm the only one who noticed this so I posted this glitch here. Even if it's intentional, I really expect someone to stop making it turn into arrows because it really annoys me for some reason. Would like to see your opinion on this.
　-iviedwall-　‖　talk　contributions　🐱　  13:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

What operating system/browser are you using? It does not affect me (Chrome on Windows 10), I think your autocorrect is causing this problem.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 14:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Strange, this isn't happening to me (Chrome on ChromeOS).
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 09:10, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Scratch 1.4 Block Plugin

Could we have a Scratch 1.4 style block plugin to display blocks on here like they were 1.x? It seems like it existed in the past on the old forums and got updated to 2.0 blocks. Now we have both 3.0 and 2.0 plugins, so why not 1.0 also? edit: oops I didnt sign, I haven't used the wiki in a while and I can only make 1 edit per 180 seconds.
Miniepicness (talk | contribs) 23:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

But nowadays, we need no use of 1.x plugin blocks. Although if someone needs to post 1.x bloxks on the forums they can go to Web archive and go to Scratch 1.x date and then create the script then take a screenshot then put it into CubeUpload to post it then you can post (phew, that is longgg process, also put this in the Suggestions forum, instead of putting it here, because the Scratch Team hasn't bulit the Wiki, a scratcher did.)
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 11:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

We have decided it isn't worth the effort to integrate the 1.x blocks plugin, given that 1.x blocks look similar enough to 2.0 blocks. Additionally the 1.x plugin has some notable issues, in particular it doesn't render boolean blocks properly (it renders them with round edges like reporter blocks instead of with a hexagon shape). In general use the 2.0 blocks and it will look fine, and if it's super important to look pixel-for-pixel like 1.x, then take a screenshot.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:01, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

CSS Page Rules

What are the rules upon using CSS pages as an autoprotected page for note keepinf and whatnot? Do you have to ONLY allowed to have CSS in it?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 22:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by it being a autoprotected page? Do you mean Mediawiki:common.css, or your own css page? For you second question, yes, but you can only have text likethis- /* text you want */ but if you want to put templates, no. You can only have code on your Css page.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 12:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Does the page have to be called common.css?

What I've seen in the past was css pages will always be protected, so only the user whose userpage it's on (and admins+) can edit it.

I assume this means User:Han614698/background-color.css is breaking rules, AND won't work, even if I add code?

May I please have a link to a CSS reference page?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 20:58, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Here you go.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  22:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

The page doesn't need to be called common.css, but it does need to have '.css'. Also, your background color css doesn't break rules, just 'WIP, not done yet, I'm developing code offsite and will add it later.' should be shown like '/*WIP, not done yet, I'm developing code offsite and will add it later.*/'.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 09:52, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you make it connected to some specific userpages of yours?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 21:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Do you mean a CSS page only applying to one page or a setting only applying to one page?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 09:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

First one.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 19:41, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I think this is how you would do it.

Put the specific page as a subpage (If it's already a subpage, make another subpage otherwise it will got to all pages under the first subpage. Suppose you subpage is 'User:han614698/Specific CSS' you have to move as 'User:han614698/MSTW/Specific CSS' If you want it to only go to that page). Then, put

.rootpage-User:han614698, .rootpage-MSTW #content {

And put your code underneath.

According to me, this should work, if it doesn't, maybe ask -iviedwall-. She's good at that stuff.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Automodmute

This has already been discussed at Talk:Mute#Should we include "automodmute"?, but that discussion hasn't got much attention. We could add a warning under a 'AUTOMODMUTE' section in Mute, saying 'Don't type Automodmute. It will result in a mute, and the Filterbot will get clogged.'
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 12:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I think it should not be included so users do not test 'automodmude' and actually get muted or flood Scratch Team mute logs.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 14:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

The Scratch Team has issued alerts to people posting it excessively and it wastes their time by adding to the filter logs they need to check (limiting their ability to look for actual bad behavior the filter caught). There isn't really any educational value to including it in my opinion, but it likely will lead to users posting in comments it to see what happens. For that reason, I think it's best we don't include it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

My CSS page

On my CSS page, I tried to set the background-color to a light blue. It worked, but now it stopped working. How do I fix it?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:16, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

You're missing the closing curly bracket "}" for "html, body, #content".
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 10:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, it worked!
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

JS Pages

Sorry I'm posting here too much, but what is the point of JS pages? Where can they run? Can they run? What are their limits?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 01:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming you are talking about user JS pages (like User:Username/common.js or User:Username/(skin name).js), they are basically the same as user CSS pages, just for JS instead of CSS. They run on all pages you visit on the wiki except for a few pages they are disabled on, like Special:Preferences and Special:Login. As far as I know, beyond the few disabled pages, there aren't any limits.
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 10:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Do all your js pages run on all pages you visit? What are some examples of things that they can do?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 11:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

No, only "common.js" (runs on all skins) and "(skin name).js" (only runs when you are using the skin specified) will run automatically on pages you visit. To run other JS pages, you must load them from a JS page that is automatically run (like common.js). An example of a useful thing you can do is canned edit summaries (an example of that is kenny2scratch's Canned Edit Summaries script (script source code)).
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 12:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

October Featured Images

Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for October. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below. Please also include an explanation for why you think the image(s) that you suggest should be featured.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 05:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

My apologies for the delay in updating the featured images this month!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 05:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I suggest File:Community Statistics bar on Front Page.png. It's a good photo that illustrates how many users there were, and and celebrates past versions of Scratch.

I also suggest File:3.0 Scratch Website 404.png. It's a good way to show to users what happens when they see that, why they see that, and what it is.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 11:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

The old ones need another protection...
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 16:05, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Updated
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Should Scratch WIki be removed from the scratch wiki footer?

I think so. It seems kind of pointless, when you are on the scratch wiki and can just click the logo above navigation to return to the main page.
Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 13:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

What if you want to go to the homepage and you're on a wiki subpage?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 01:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Good point. You have to scroll all the way up for the logo.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Can FAQs have AF versions?

I don't think they can, because FAQs should be viewable (correctly) all the time. This FAQ page has a AF version.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

think so
Gatgatcode ( Talk | Scratch | Contributions ) 12:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

There is currently no rule prohibiting it. In my personal opinion I think it's fine if they do since the original is still viewable and we have a template clearly indicating that the joke answer is a joke. For example, I personally enjoy the answer for Is Scratch secure?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you make a AF Userpage?

I want to make a AF Userpage, and i made it. BUT the April Fools and AF templates don't work, which means that i can't put a link that leads to the AF Page an vice versa. Does anyone know how to do this?
Jas1000 (talk | contribs) 08:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

You created Scratch Wiki:April Fools/User:Jas1000, which has the correct prefix of Scratch Wiki:April Fools/, and put {{AF}} at the top of it. This topic is likely  Done.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 14:55, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Userpage

Can I remove other people's messages on my userpage? I assume I can, since I can delete comments on my Scratch Profile, but I don't know. Thanks!
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 23:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

You can only archive them, you can't remove them outright. Also, when archiving, you need to archive the entire thread, you can't pick and choose individual messages.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion: Updated Scratch Wiki Skin

The Scratch Wiki skin is and has been outdated for quite some time. I suggest we add a more modern skin than the current "modern" skin. :)
-unsigned comment by Dkjghfdh (talk | contribs)

The Scratch Wiki Skin is designed to as much as possible mimic the skin on the Scratch website. Is there anything specific you think should change?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding the create link to the footer

Hi, since it is confusing for new wikians to create a page, I am telling an suggestion to create pages easier by adding the edit link on the footer. It wouldn't also confuse new wikians.
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 14:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

We already have a create link in the header, I don't think there is much need to add one to the footer. I also don't think most New Wikians are likely to look at the footer before looking at the header.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! September 29^th, 2022

Welcome to the 41^st Thankful Thursday! September 29^th, 2022.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User	Thanks
-iviedwall- (talk | contribs)	Thanks for showing me about CSS pages! Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 09:37, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thanks for the endless dedication on maintaining and contributing to the wiki!  ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
vdiu (talk | contribs)	Thanks for helping me figure out things like CSS pages on the community portal. han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 20:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

“

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next TT is, October 27^th, 2022 see you then!
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Awesome!
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 08:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Cool! I just realized it'll be on my birthday.
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 23:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Why dont big files work with the scratch wiki?

Why do big files cause a memory leak on the scratch wiki? Wikipedia has huge files like this one. They both use MediaWiki, why can Wikipedia handle images with more than a hundred megapixels but the scratch wiki can't handle two?
Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 20:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

My guess could be that Wikipedia has much more RAM than the Scratch Wiki for processing images, which is also because Wikipedia has lots more traffic than this Wiki.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 06:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is public wiki or whatever, so you can request an account for free. Altough this Scratch Wiki is for scratch users and staff, hence there are a few requirments to request an account, so there is less space (or whatever) for this wiki. Also it can be that once there was so much space and huge files got uploaded, but then space-ish thingy got less so size requirments came. Just my answer, so if it's wrong don't blame me.
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 16:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

There are a few reasons we don't allow big files. The first (the memory leak one) is we have some backend tools that generate thumbnails, and the amount of memory available to do that is fairly small on our server. Too large an image will make the tool run out of memory. The second reason is that storage is not unlimited, so we want to make the best use of it we can. The third reason is that both server bandwidth and user download speeds need to be conserved - if we are constantly sending out very large images, that will slow down the Wiki for other users, and users with slow internet connections will have a lot of trouble accessing stuff. I should also remind you that we are not Wikipedia; we do not have their budget nor do we have their server equipment. According to ProPublica, the WikiMedia foundation received over $100 million in grants and had a budget over $3 million for information technology for FY2019, and while I don't know our exact budget or cost of server infrastructure, I know it's a lot less than that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Why not just block large file uploads then (if they aren't already)?
CST1229 (talk | contribs) 04:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't know. I am not responsible for policy at the Wikimedia foundation, but I guess they have figured that their equipment can handle it and they have more use for large files than we do.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Their servers generally capable of handling a huge workload when compared to the small, but stable shared hosting server which the Scratch Wikis are hosted on (special thanks to @mtwoll); and distributed across datacenters in various places. Wikimedia has a well-designed distributing system on that case, and I do appreciate their system administrators on that.

Still, I recall that they are having some technical difficulties, for example that a GIF file will not be animated if it exceeds width × height × number of frames ≤ 100 million.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

File Hosting?

What are allowed places to link files that aren't images (like downloads of Scratch betas)? Should I upload it to a GitHub Pages site or can I link a direct Google Drive download (NOT the file page, a direct download!)?
CST1229 (talk | contribs) 19:01, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

It's definitely allowed to upload it into a GitHub repo. Evem Scratch Wiki extensions and the SWS is hosted at InternationalScratchWiki org on GitHub.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew that it's allowed (I mentioned that because I'm probably gonna use it as a fallback if no other options that are more dedicated file hosts are allowed).
CST1229 (talk | contribs) 04:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Has Scratch Wiki just change today?

Hi there. Today I am seeing "From Scratch Wiki" on every page intended for everyone. Even "New topic" has been replaced by "+", and I don't remember what text was linking to the SW homepage, but it was definitely not "Main page".
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 16:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Also lots and heaps of things have changed just by a refresh or a reload.
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 16:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Nothing has changed for me, it all looks the same as before.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Could you provide a screenshot, if this still happens? This could be used to better help see why these changes occur.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 17:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Questions about Redirects

Pages such as this one are all over the place. I see 8bitjake's AF pages all the time. However, this specific one redirects from a mainspace article (Scratch Wiki:April Fools/User talk:8bitjake/Archives) into a userspace article (User:8bitjake/Talk Page-April Fools/Archives). There are several others like this.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 21:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC) Anyone have ideas?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 21:53, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I deleted the redirect in April Fools space (which is in Scratch Wiki space, not mainspace) because it went against AF page rules (see Scratch Wiki:Disallowed April Fools Pages) where there cannot be April Fools' talk pages except the Community Portal. Despite their messy redirects, I will keep all redirects in their userspace for now as they do not interfere with mainspace.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 07:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Protect Dead Link

Do you think that we could protect Dead Link from being created?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 00:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Why would we need to do this?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:51, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The dead link in question is only linked to in userspace, mostly in the original poster's userspace header as a placeholder for future links to add. I think the title should not be protected unless it was created and later deleted. Dead links used as example in Scratch Wiki: space are more visible, so I think only deliberate dead links there should be protected.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 17:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I was unclear. I would like the page Dead Link to protected from creation as it is a demo page and it is my understanding that we protect those. (same reason "this link does not exist" or something like that is protected)
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 20:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Where do we use it as a demo page? I only see it linked from userpages/user talk pages and right here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

How to add a text input box thingy or a search bar?

Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 09:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Where do you want this?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 11:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

For a page? This is an exemplary input button:

type=comment
default=S:Sandbox
title=Scratch Wiki:Sandbox
hidden=yes
buttonlabel=Leave a message in sandbox

Which will produce:

For more information, please refer to the documentation on MediaWiki.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I got it.
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 06:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

April Fools

Hello I was just wondering if there was a page about making April fools pages?
Bluepig600(Talk - Contributes) 02:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki:April Fools contains some guidelines about April Fools' pages as instructions about how to make one.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 08:11, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you that's the page I was looking for!
Bluepig600(Talk - Contributes) 23:21, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Featured Images

The September ones are still up on the front page. If they aren't going to be swapped out then they need protection. Suggestions are still open for this month however it might not be worth having more 'till November now.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 16:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I was beginning to wonder why bigpuppy never even replied... are those accepted?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 21:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't know
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 17:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! October 27^th, 2022

Welcome to the 42^nd Thankful Thursday! October 27^th, 2022.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User	Thanks
apple502j (talk | contribs)	Thank you for all your help upgrading our extensions to fit the latest MediaWiki specs! jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being such a great Admin! Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 16:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

“

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next TT is, November 24^th, 2022 see you then!
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Category: $1

Hey y'all, I'm a bit confused about the category $1. The category is deleted, but there is a page in it (which shouldn't happen in the first place, since it's a userpage). This also shows up in the category list. What is going on?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 01:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Update: I accidentally categorized this page while making this message, and I have fixed that. :Apologizes.

I would remove the category off the userpage it's on, but it's on a js page which is protected.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 01:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Technically, js pages are not protected (the owner can edit them) but I get what you mean. About the category, I don't know why it is being applied- those type of pages should just treat it as js code. But there is the category name included on that page which might be toggling it.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:50, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

That's definitely not an expected behaviour to treat it as a standard userpage rather than js. It also calls Template:Uncategorized at line 52, a template used in Wikimedia Commons, where the original source code of this gadget is hosted on. And, $1 is primarily used by MediaWiki to handle localization AFAIK.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  15:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Idea

Would it be possible to install something for adjusting image names?

Basically, when the name of a file is changed, anywhere that uses the image is adjusted to the knew name. I think that we could use Special:WhatLinksHere to find the usage, and then search for [[File:(oldname)]] and replace it with the new one. Should I propose this on the bot page, or discuss it here?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 00:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

The answer is no it wouldn't be easy to do that. I'm not aware of any off-the-shelf extensions that do this (though let me know if you know if any) and writing a custom extension or bot to do this would be a fairly unpleasant task. Widely referenced images aren't renamed often enough that I think it's worth the effort if it's more than installing an off-the-shelf tool.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Page

Resolved (since an unknown date)

I was looking at a page on the wiki it was S:SW the page about the wiki. i noticed in the "history" section it said "it had advertisements (like other wikis on Wikia)". Wikia is now called "Fandom" in like 2019 or something they named it Wikia but then they changed it to Fandom so i tried to change it but it would not let me.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 21:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, the Wiki name should stay to reflect what it was called at the time. It may be worth noting that Wikia is now called Fandom though.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Categorized Userpages?

I notied that the pages User:Turkey3/New Admin Guide and User:Turkey3/New Guidelines are categorized. If they're really official articles, then why aren't they in the mainspace?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 13:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

The pages were likely drafts of current iterations of Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide and Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor respectively. The current versions (which have been modified since) are official to the Scratch Wiki, but are part of the Scratch Wiki: namespace and not the mainspace because they are meta information about the wiki and might not be of interest to casual Wiki readers.

Since userspace on this wiki is not to be categorised and the userspace versions of those pages have been superseded, I will remove any categories from those userspace drafts.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 15:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

December Featured Images

Resolved (since 03:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC))

Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for December. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below. Please also include an explanation for why you think the image(s) that you suggest should be featured.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I apologize for the long wait. I've been very busy with IRL stuff and haven't been active on Scratch or the wiki.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

No problem!
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 20:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

 Updated
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Questions about the {{unusedui}} (redirects to {{Unused user image}}) template

Resolved (since 07:07, 10 November 2022 (UTC))

Have some questions about this -

Can I, a regular Wikian, put this on pages?

If yes, how long must I wait after the creation of the image to put it on?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 02:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Any user is allowed to place the template on any users' images that are not in use, as it is not prevented for any type of user. As in how long an image should wait before having the template added, there is no official time wait, but I recommend that you wait a few days before adding the template.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 07:07, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Time

Resolved (since 11:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC))

Hello! Is there a way to turn off 24 hour time on the wiki? Like for example in the recent changes page it's all in 24 hour time and where i live we use am and pm.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 01:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

As far as I know, no, there is not a way to do this. However, you probably could add some JavaScript to your JavaScript page - I'll have to look into that.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 01:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

i dont know that much javascript. I only know a little cos i'm learning on grasshopper
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 01:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Remember to indent your messages
I don't either - I'll have to learn a bit, but I'll take a look.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 01:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

There is no built-in way to do that. However, if you haven't done it yet, you can go to Preferences -> Appearance and select your timezone.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  11:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about open userpage

Hello. On my page User:Han614698/The Forum Helpers I need an {{open userpage}} template. I have one but it looks like this: <includeonly><onlyinclude>{{open userpage}}</onlyinclude></includeonly>
This code makes it so that it is not wisible on the page.
But does the template still have it's function?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 12:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

The abuse filter just cares about {{open userpage being on the page, the template itself does nothing but show the message. So, it should work fine like that. Also, {{open userpage}} has a hide parameter you could use {{open userpage|hide=yes}}.
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 13:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

can you make any type of userpage you want?

like what if i wanted to make a trashpost page for myself can i do that
Imabanana22 (talk | contribs) 20:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

You can make any userpage you want provided it follows the Scratch Community Guidelines and it isn't overly spammy.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Emails

I am getting emails from the wiki saying that someone else did something. Each time someone changes something i get a email even if its not related to me. I have attached a few pictures of the emails i recived. HELP MY PHOTO IS GOING INTO THE NEXT PERSONS MESSAGE!
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 21:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I did it for you since you specifically asked for help, but don't use the thumb and alt=text parameter. As far as your question goes, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-email, scroll to the very bottom, and uncheck the boxes. Then scroll down and hit save.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 23:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry thats the only way i knew how to do it. I wont use it now
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 17:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

It worked!
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 21:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion

Just a suggestion. What if we made it so it would auto-sign for you? It would decrease the amount of unsigned messages.
Python_master20 (talk | contribs) 21:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Issue: some edits to talk pages are not messages. How do you propose we solve this?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 23:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the auto-signing signature thing. It would be helpful for some people.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 21:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Since all stuff arent messages you could say unsigned edits?
Python_master20 (talk | contribs) 21:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

That could mean every edit...
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 21:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Then maybe every edit to a talk page that doesnt have a signature added? (Because we couldnt add a signature to articles)
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 01:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ This has been brought up numerous times, often as a bot idea, and been rejected each time, because it's fundamentally difficult to determine where the end of a message is often enough that there would be so many missed cases that it wouldn't be worth the effort. We already have a bot that warns people for not signing their messages and that's all that I believe is really necessary.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 14:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

[Necropost I guess/ig?]  Is the disscussion done or not?
Áńéŕí9714 ‖ Talk ♥ Contributions ♥ More... ‖ 15:58, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I think we can mark this as done, given that kenny2scratch explained that this is rejected.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Autocorrect

On my phone, autocorrect and word suggestions don't work while in the wiki editing box. Is this a device setting or wiki setting? This is a major issue for me.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 23:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Same, I use a iPad to edit in the wiki, and I get no autocorrect or suggestions. (thats why my "i"s are usually not capatalized.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 17:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

It works totally fine for me (an Android device). Try using a different device/keyboard application?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, its different for IOS?
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 14:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

FYI

A lot of my recent actions may be unclear of look like vandalism. I am clarifying thay these are not vandalism, and as per S:USERSPACE#Others' userspace I can edit other's userpages to remove rule breaking content, in this case browser esxtensions.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 22:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

The extension policy in question only came into effect years after the topics you edited were posted. I'm making an executive declaration that we're not enforcing the browser extension policy ex post facto unless the Scratch Team steps in; which now means that you've violated userspace quite a lot.

Please don't mass-edit userspace like this without asking first whether it's justified. Be aware as well that if it was truly necessary to remove all mention of browser extensions, every revision containing them would need to be deleted as well.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. I was under the impression thay it was a very highly inforced rule. I will stop editing the wiki for a couple days as a punishment for myself.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 13:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

No need for that - just ask first more often, especially when userspace is involved. Sorry for coming off so harsh.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  17:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Once again, sorry - also, is S:BRD not in effect? Or is that was we are doing (I was bold, you reverted, we discussed?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 21:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is there an option to shut off Wikimonitor

Resolved (since an unknown date)

Why is there an option to shut off wikimonitor https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:WikiMonitor/Disable i read it and it seems kinda unneccesary. Also even if there is vandalism or something i probably wont shut it off. I dont wanna get banned or something.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 22:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

It's necessary for potential scenarios where due to a bug, it makes lots of unnecessary, damaging edits in a short period of time. Leaving it on in those scenarios could potentially create lot of work to revert all the changes it made.
Jackson49 (talk | contribs) 00:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh okay
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 14:28, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

To add, the warning specifically refers to turning it off without a reason. If you can give any reasonable justification for turning it off, even if it turns out to be a false alarm, then you're fine. However we have had a number of users who have turned it off "just for fun," out of anger for a notification, or as a deliberate form of vandalism, and in at least one case someone complained that they didn't get a warning for a first offense, so I wanted to make something impossible to ignore.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok. I wonder why people would even turn it off for fun
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 03:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Old wiki

Resolved (since an unknown date)

the old wiki https://mitmedialabscratch.fandom.com/wiki/Scratch_Wiki has a lot of bad words on it..... if its not monitored anymore couldnt they just delete it since we have this new wiki? (i dont wanna include the link to the page with the bad word.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 02:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

That wiki is not controlled by the same people as this Scratch Wiki. Additionally, the original Fandom/Wikia version of this wiki (under a different URL from what is linked) from 2008 is now a dead URL and linked on the wiki through the Web Archive (see Scratch Wiki#History). Fandom has this page stating that wikis hosted there are unlikely to be closed unless it was very inactive.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 07:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

AF CP

Do I have to sign my posts on the AF CP? I was thinking of doing a joke message that had the tildas at the end, but with the nowiki tag on them.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 13:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

You don't need to sign your posts as it's just an AF page. Lots of people use fake siggys for accounts like kaj.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 21:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Is it okay to edit someone else's talk page to fix formatting errors?

Han614698 placed their welcome template on Zack_thebest123321's talkpage. Recently, the template was changed because the edit section link went to the template page. Would I be breaking the S:USERSPACE Guideline by adding the headings?
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 10:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you would. However, in this case, I give you explicit permission to edit the title of that welcome template and any other ones you find.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 12:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

According to the userspace policy, editing other messages to fix formatting issues is acceptable as long as you do so in a way that doesn't affect the actual contents of the message.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Link

Hello,

I noticed that when you scroll down to the bottom of the wiki in the legal section there are 2 things "privacy policy" and "disclamers". I dont know if its just for me but when I click the privacy policy it says

"Misdirected Request The client needs a new connection for this request as the requested host name does not match the Server Name Indication (SNI) in use for this connection." or it brings me to some other language wiki.

And when I click the disclamers it also says

"Misdirected Request

The client needs a new connection for this request as the requested host name does not match the Server Name Indication (SNI) in use for this connection" and it brings me to some different language wiki too.

Also, I have another question, why do we sign with 4 tidles when we can just sign with 3? I tested it out to see if 3 worked and it did.

SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 17:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Those links work fine for me, not sure what's up on your end. You need to use four tildes to also include the timestamp so we know when each post was made.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Privacy Policy redirects to the German Wiki, and Disclaimers says misredirected.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,172) • profile 23:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Both links work well for me too. And yes, Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in the German wiki, because of the mere fact that the wikis are currently hosted on Germany, and the legally responsible contact is provided by mtwoll in Germany - really, thanks again for providing hosting and domain name, as well as the idea for multilingual wikis. There had been discussions in the past about providing an unofficial translation, however.

Again, that should be about something related to the browser - looks like Safari is the most likely reason, but apparently there is some improvement that can be done on the server side too.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  13:37, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

It could be something to do with Apple devices because I use a ipad and han614698 uses a apple device too and it doesnt work for both of us. And I tested it in my sandbox and if you add 3 tidles you dont get the timestamp
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 17:24, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

That shouldn't happen- the links aren't redirects in the first place. This is the HTML code-

<dl class="legal"> <dt><span>Legal</span></dt>

<dd><span><a href="https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Project:Datenschutz">Privacy policy</a></span></dd>

<dd><span><a href="https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Project:Impressum">Disclaimers</a></span></dd>

</dl>

Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 11:04, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, it's on a different subdomain, which is counted as a redirect (as in the HTTP sense; it's linking another (sub-)domain), and causes this error.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Some people apply for wiki accounts and forget about it

Seriously, there is some person who got their account on 2nd June 2018 and never did anything with it!
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 10:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Being on the Wiki is entirely voluntary, there is no obligation to use it. Additionally, some users might have forgotten that they had been accepted onto the wiki or that they even applied. Even if those unused accounts might be spammy, they also cannot be deleted.

Even Wikipedia has years-old accounts that have never edited, and Scratch has millions of users, including most namesnipes, that have never shared a project.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 18:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing in the user creation log. A lot of users havent made any edits or anything after they got accepted.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 22:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I found an account from 2010 that has no edits made.
SpaghettiAG852097- (talk | contribs) 02:23, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

This has been a thing pretty much for the entire existence of the Wiki. It's not really causing us any trouble, so I don't think we need to do anything about it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:01, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

(no title)

Resolved (since 14:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC))

Could someone delete this? I didn't know at the time how to actually create a AF userpage.
Jas1000 (talk | contribs) 12:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done I have deleted that page.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 14:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Protect Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 041

Resolved (since 10:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC))

As per the title.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Protect Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 042, archive 041 requires an omission

Resolved (since an unknown date)

See the title. I've mistakenly included the example on the previous archive, which needs to be removed.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 031 needs to be corrected

Resolved (since 08:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC))

Example message is also mistakenly archived, which should be removed.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 08:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 040 needs to be corrected

Resolved (since 08:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC))

The page included Category:Thankful Thursday, which unintentionally caused other pages like the Community Portal to be categorized under such.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done I have removed the category inclusion on the page (it is still in the category per a template used on the page).
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 08:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Protect Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 043, update Scratch Wiki:Community Portal/Scratch Wiki News

 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  21:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

 Partially done I have edited the Wiki news, but another user needs to protect the archive.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 07:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)