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Welcoming Committee or Scratch Welcoming Committee
Hello. I left this post on its talk but no one answered. Should it be scratch welcoming committee or welcoming committee here.
Reasons why welcoming committee
1. That is the name for the project submsissions studio
2. Name of private forum
Reasons why scratch welcoming committee
1. Often abbreviated as SWC not WC
2. Name of main studio
So what should it be?
asqwde talk | contribs 14:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- I believe it should be "Welcoming Committee". Here's my rationale.
- For as long as the Wiki has existed, it has been about documentation of Scratch. Therefore, Scratch is its mainspace; all articles are related to Scratch in some way. Where Wikipedia's mainspace is literally everything, or the Meta-Wikipedia's mainspace is Wikipedia itself, the Scratch Wiki's mainspace is Scratch. Because of that, I think a "Scratch" in the title is redundant for all pages, except for cases like Scratch, (where omitting "Scratch" would cause an empty title) Scratch Team, (because "Scratch Team" is a proper name) or Scratch Wiki (because we're not just called "Wiki"). In my insistent opinion articles like Scratch Trends should just be called "Trends" (I'll be opening up a new topic about this), but I'm holding off on moving such articles until we have more consensus; meanwhile, "Welcoming Committee" is ideal, and should not be moved.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I do see what you are saying, Kenny2scratch, but then again, couldn't you argue that "Scratch Welcoming Committee!" is the name of the studio (kind of you like how you said "Scratch Wiki" is the name of this wiki)? However, I do see what you are saying.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- I do see what you are saying, Kenny2scratch, but then again, couldn't you argue that "Scratch Welcoming Committee!" is the name of the studio (kind of you like how you said "Scratch Wiki" is the name of this wiki)? However, I do see what you are saying.
A slight spinoff of an above topic: subpages for each 
Not done topic
Hi all,
I have a small idea that loosely ties in with an idea suggested above: instead of having all of the Not done topics be on one page, move each topic into a separate page. I think this would be beneficial for the Not Done page, since if a topic has stayed alive long enough to be moved to Not Done it's usually pretty long.
- Pros
- Organizes Not Done topics much better
- Decreases loading time
- Cons
- Requires more clicks
- Potentially harder to browse through
Thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Have you noticed how little activity appears in that page? Separating it into more subpages will further decrease activity... We might as well just scrap the not-done page altogether and just solely use the community portal.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
- Nuh-uh! Scrapping the not done page would clog up the CP a LOT. I also seriously doubt that separating it into subpages would decrease activity: the same way that every CP archive has a TOC of other archives, each not done page could have a TOC of other not done pages, using this:
{{Special:PrefixIndex/Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done}}
- I've also just added a link to the not done page in the sidebar. Hopefully editors will notice that and use it :) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:28, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keeping a TOC is a good idea, but if we separate all the pages, editors who don't rely on the TOC and scroll to see other discussions (like me..) will have a hard time, further decreasing the activity of discussions. The "requiring more clicks" issue is also an important one, IMHO.
- But if anything I don't think there will be much activity in any case. Maybe there isn't a surefire way to increase user input for any of those discussions and the Not Done page is turning into a dusty cabinet lost in the attic or something.. Not what we want.. I think we should just leave it as it is.
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've also just added a link to the not done page in the sidebar. Hopefully editors will notice that and use it :)
Scratch News + Wiki News
Hello. As you know we have the scratch news. How about splitting that up into scratch news and wiki news featuring both on the front page.
- Benefits
- Easy to distinguish between any news in scratch and the wiki
- Will encourage more news ideas to be displayed
- Things to feature in scratch news
- New FPC
- New announcement in the announcement forum
- New changes to the website
- New SDS
- Things to feature in wiki news
- Compliment Tuesday
- Wiki Wednesday
- Important updates
- Important posts in CP
- Elections
Thoughts? asqwde talk | contribs 16:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think that is a good idea, it would be a good way to distinguish between different news, and I believe more relevant to different subjects. Any other thoughts?
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- (changed your strange diamonds to real bullets, the diamonds didn't act like real lists; also for some reason the colons after the mini-headers acted like indents so I changed it to nonindexed headers)
- I think that's a great idea! My only concern is that a new box on the homepage would clutter things up, so I think one of the boxes currently on there should be removed. I recommend removing Featured Images, since we always forget to update them - but what are your thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ok thanks for changing it. I agree about removing featured images, support asqwde talk | contribs 11:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with asqwde, as you mentioned, you always forget to change them; and it is not as important as featured articles. Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Semi-Support! The front page greets all scrathers come to the wiki, and do not need to know about wiki news. So how about we put the wiki news somewere the editors will see it most often such as the Community Portal, so scratchers can see the scratch news w/out seeing the wiki news.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Jakel181 in this case. Since the Scratch Wiki news would mainly be for Scratch Wiki editors, we could put it in the CP (as Jakel181 said). Since this is a wiki about Scratch, the Scratch news would stay on the front page.
- I agree with Jakel181 in this case. Since the Scratch Wiki news would mainly be for Scratch Wiki editors, we could put it in the CP (as Jakel181 said). Since this is a wiki about Scratch, the Scratch news would stay on the front page.
- Semi-Support! The front page greets all scrathers come to the wiki, and do not need to know about wiki news. So how about we put the wiki news somewere the editors will see it most often such as the Community Portal, so scratchers can see the scratch news w/out seeing the wiki news.
- I agree with asqwde, as you mentioned, you always forget to change them; and it is not as important as featured articles.
- Ok thanks for changing it. I agree about removing featured images, support
- On the other hand, I disagree with removing the "Featured Images" section. If we don't remember to change them, why delete the section? Why not just try very hard to remember to change them? We could change them every...two weeks? Month? But I think it'd be good to have an interval. Or do we already have an interval? I'm not sure. Either way, I think we should keep this section of the front page. We could do something similar to how Wiki Wednesday used to be done. Actually, Featured Images was done in this way a while ago. There are two sections in the 88th archive of the CP that are topics where people suggested featured images.
- However we'd do it, I hope everyone considers the option of keeping featured images. I think putting images on the front page is good. In most cases, images are good (in my opinion). In fact, images are recommended for Wiki Wednesday articles!
- Thanks for reading this. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I think having Wiki news somewhere other than the front page is also a good idea. I'm not sure about having it on the CP, though, since it counts as a talk page and WM wouldn't like people adding news items with no signatures ;)
Instead, why not have it on the projectspace side of the CP, Scratch Wiki:Community Portal? Notice the lack of "talk" in that title. That would give the non-talk side of the CP some more purpose in life besides just documenting the CP. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Bigpuppy, i agree with what you are saying. i also think it is not a good idea to have it on the CP. I agree with ken about having it on Scratch Wiki:Community Portal asqwde talk | contribs 11:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes that sounds good and I've been sugguesting the featured images to be changed mothly around every WW. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Kenny2scratch - I suppose having it on Scratch Wiki:Community Portal could be good. On the WikiMonitor thing, though: if it was a template (outside of talk) would WikiMonitor still count it as people not signing their posts? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Good point! But then again, the talk side could simply transclude the non-talk side ;) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Good point! But then again, the talk side could simply transclude the non-talk side ;)
- @Kenny2scratch - I suppose having it on Scratch Wiki:Community Portal could be good. On the WikiMonitor thing, though: if it was a template (outside of talk) would WikiMonitor still count it as people not signing their posts?
- Yes that sounds good and I've been sugguesting the featured images to be changed mothly around every WW.
BUMP! asqwde talk | contribs 08:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I went ahead and created the page at Scratch Wiki:Community Portal/Scratch Wiki News, using suggestions from this topic. It still needs protection. This topic is still Not done, however, as are we going to do {{Scratch Wiki:Community Portal/Scratch Wiki News}} anywhere? Are there any suggestions for the page? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, do you think we should add the new report extension and Scratch Wiki 3.0 articles page that was created? asqwde talk | contribs 21:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- I've make an executive decision now and transcluded the Wiki news on both sides - a normal transclusion on the non-talk side, and a transclusion inside a collapse box on the talk side. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, do you think we should add the new report extension and Scratch Wiki 3.0 articles page that was created?
Let's change EW stuff moar
Okay, so let's combine my idea, and Ken's idea. The first part of the idea, Ken's idea. It's to completely obliterate the EW group altogether.
- It's no longer necessary.
- It was created as a placeholder for the inactive ST. We've transferred to Martin's server. All the other wikis, also hosted by Martin do not have this role. From the Scratch Team's perspective (ST = Martin), EW = Admin and Admin = Bureaucrat.
The second part of the idea, my idea. To use the same way for elections.
- Admins are elected, as opposed to EWs
- Bureaucrats are appointed, as opposed to admins.
Thoughts?
20:46, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don’t agree with the first bit. EW is a way to gain trust in users and is useful for that reason. In my opinion, the EW role should be kept.
нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlк║cσηтяιвs║ρяσғιlε) 20:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- But no other wiki has it. The ST added that to make up for their inactivity. 20:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't agree with it either, I think it is important to have something in the middle. I personally think it is fine the way it is. Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- That's actually incorrect. Back in June 2013, when the Scratch 2.0 account request system was first being implemented, scmb1 created the role so that we'd have people to be able to handle the account requests we were about to get.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Really? Well that also adds to my point. Also, on wikis I have been on, they most likely would have a role like EW, even if not called it (Most likely called a Moderator), to me, I have always thought that "EW" was just like a moderator role on any other wiki. (Pointing at "But no other wiki has it.") Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Really? Well that also adds to my point. Also, on wikis I have been on, they most likely would have a role like EW, even if not called it (Most likely called a Moderator), to me, I have always thought that "EW" was just like a moderator role on any other wiki. (Pointing at "But no other wiki has it.")
- That's actually incorrect. Back in June 2013, when the Scratch 2.0 account request system was first being implemented, scmb1 created the role so that we'd have people to be able to handle the account requests we were about to get.
- I don't agree with it either, I think it is important to have something in the middle. I personally think it is fine the way it is.
- But no other wiki has it. The ST added that to make up for their inactivity.
These changes were going to be part of the plan, but Ken didn't implement them. I don't like to intervene in a discussion where I am may seem biased (i.e. I support this change in order to gain a "promotion"), but there seems to be some misinformation about what exactly EWs are (go look at the roles & rights lists please). There are certainly some role differences between EWs and Administrators, but these actually have to do more with moderation (i.e. EWs cannot "undelete a page" or revise edit logs). It is my understanding that anyone with FTP access (and therefore handling the technical aspects of the wiki) is a Bureaucrat. So the differences are not substantial and actually have more to do with "moderation" than anything else. I don't really like to call it that since we don't really do that much "moderating", its mostly what I would term "maintence" of the wiki community. 
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'd consider this topic a duplicate of mine, by the way, but I'll consider that one inactive to the point of doneness.
- I'm also not so sure about removing EW anymore. Recently MTBH and I were deciding who would be the new ruwiki admins. One of the admins I'm not so sure is fit for the tools - they are definitely fit for the position, but I'm not sure whether they can figure out how the admin tools work quickly enough; I'd much rather give them EW if it existed on the ruwiki.
- On this wiki, the original purpose for EWs is now basically moot. We now have our own bureaucrats; the CA extension was originally designed to have requests confirmed by bureaucrats. So we no longer need EWs explicitly for confirming account requests.
- However, EW is also a nice in-between normal user and admin - i.e., we trust this user enough to give them permissions like deleting and patrolling pages, rollbacking edits, moving files, and applying arbitrary tags, but we don't trust them enough to give them permissions like protecting pages, deleting revision history or log entries, editing other people's CSS/JS, editing the user interface (i.e. editing pages in the MediaWiki: namespace), importing pages, moving root userpages or category pages, and having higher API limits. (This list was made with heavy reference to Special:ListGroupRights.)
- I don't really support removing EW anymore. I do think that we should promote some of our current EWs to admin (especially long-standing ones like Hamish or Galla), but EWs are here to stay. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:19, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
- Then maybe we could turn EW into admin, and then carry the highly administrative things (protecting, etc) up to bureaucrat. 08:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think the discussion before was on the second-last paragraph in S:EW. By having the duty of "maintaining the wiki" surely them being able to do "simple tasks" like 'updating the news' should also include 'deleting pages' (btw even more simple than updating news). Deleting pages isn't a hard thing to do or learn, so is protecting of pages. You just need a strong support system with them (through chat... user pages...) to get them along the first few days of them being EW.
- I support better allocation of rights for EW but not the deletion of the EW role.
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't support the deletion of the EW role.
- As already stated before, the EW role is a transition period between Wikian and Sysop, and is useful because it allows people to learn the do's and don't's (yes double apostrophes exist now) of Administrator privileges. EW also allows Bureaucrats and Administrators to figure out which users are the most helpful and useful to the community, so as to prove they can be trusted with higher privileges.
Daring Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:17, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- (just noting: you say that no other mtwoll-hosted wikis have the EW, but that's incorrect - the dewiki also has EW.) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Due to inactivity, Rejected. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Due to inactivity,
- (just noting: you say that no other mtwoll-hosted wikis have the EW, but that's incorrect - the dewiki also has EW.)
- Then maybe we could turn EW into admin, and then carry the highly administrative things (protecting, etc) up to bureaucrat.
Wiki Server not available?
Hi everyone! Recently I've been getting errors when trying to access the Scratch Wikis (any, really). It will tell me that the page was not found or not available and when I try a few minutes later, it will work again. Does someone else encounter this problem? Else I'll see if this is a problem with my router (since it occured on different computers at home). - 
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 07:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- We all get resource limit reached. 07:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to be a combination of rate limiting by the server provider for the server itself, as well as rate limiting by the server for its users; the rates are set low, so there are HTTP errors. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I got rate limiting three times: using HotCat too quickly. I couldn't even see this wiki for a whole day.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 07:54, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've never seen this problem, but sometimes links open in new windows.
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 16:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Links opening in new windows has nothing to do with server problems; it just means either you're holding Ctrl while clicking them or the links are meant to be opened in a new window. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Crazy @Ken Or middle clicking a link. 18:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Crazy @Ken Or middle clicking a link.
- Links opening in new windows has nothing to do with server problems; it just means either you're holding Ctrl while clicking them or the links are meant to be opened in a new window.
- I've never seen this problem, but sometimes links open in new windows.
- I got rate limiting three times: using HotCat too quickly. I couldn't even see this wiki for a whole day.
- It seems to be a combination of rate limiting by the server provider for the server itself, as well as rate limiting by the server for its users; the rates are set low, so there are HTTP errors.
I'm on a laptop so I don't middle-click. CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 16:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- I never experience this issue.
Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 21:56, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Millie, FYI there's a reason we have the {{outdent}} template (therefore I edited your indentation) ;) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 21:58, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Millie, FYI there's a reason we have the {{outdent}} template (therefore I edited your indentation) ;)
An Idea For Blocks (disambiguation)
Done
Recently, I created a new disambiguation page at Blocks (disambiguation). My idea is to change Block and Blocks to redirect to the disambig, and the block article to Blocks (programing feature).
Pros
- Easier to find the other pages
- Matches the other disambigs: first it all redirects to the disambig, then diverts to different pages
Cons
- It takes longer to get to the main blocks article
Should we do this? CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 18:30, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- No! You missed one huge con: it would break many links and likely require an edit storm. Blocks is also the sixth most-viewed page on the wiki[1] so it would confuse many people who are looking for it. No, definitely no support.
- kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 21:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Compliment Wednesday! July 18th 2018
Welcome to the First Compliment Wednesday! July 18th 2018.
First I apolgize for not getting th CT on time this week. I had some family vistors come over and that took the whole day up.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! 
You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
| User | Compliments |
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| NYCDOT (talk | contribs) | |
| DragonLover379 (talk | contribs) | |
| Hellodude1231 (talk | contribs) |
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| Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) |
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| Jakel181 (talk | contribs) | |
| Apple502j (talk | contribs) | |
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| Dmith (talk | contribs) |
| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The next CT is July 24th 2018! See you then!
Scratch Wiki as Reference
I saw some pages use SW as references. Is it OK? 
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 22:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Which articles specifically? I think it much depends on what the article is and which article it's referring to. In any case, though, it's better to link to a specific revision (but use Special:Redirect/revision and not an external link to an internal page). kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
New Wiki Wednesday Sections
I added a Scratch Wiki "News" section in the last write - up. Does anyone have other ideas for ways in which we could promote the Wiki or sections which we could add (in addition to article of the month and news?) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- If y'all have suggestions for the August edition, please message me. I'll mark this as Done for now. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Featured Images
Howdy, y'all! It's been a month since the day Kenny2scratch updated the Featured Images to the pen extension, custom block definition, and scissors images. As much as these images deserve to be featured, well, they've been there for a month since those images were put on there.
So, does anyone have any suggestions for new images we could feature? Thank you for your continued dedication to the wiki! bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:42, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
asqwde talk | contribs 07:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Great suggestions, both of you! I added the micro:bit one, the Scratch 3.0 icon one (the cat with three eyes), and the Make It Fly Tips Page one. Please tell me if you disagree with my choices, or if you'd like the descriptions I wrote to be changed at all. Thanks again! This is now Done (unless you do want anything to be changed). bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Great suggestions, both of you! I added the micro:bit one, the Scratch 3.0 icon one (the cat with three eyes), and the Make It Fly Tips Page one.
Launch: New User Recommendations! Participate now!
I am proud to announce the launch of the new user recommendations system. Regular Wikians will be allowed to nominate their friends for invitations to join our community (via the standard application process of course). I invite everyone to participate after reading the instructions at the recommendations page: Scratch Wiki:New User Recommendations. Administrators should read the guide which is attached. . I hope that this program will be a success and allow our community to grow.
P.S. If three of your nominee's receive invitations, you will received the special friend template on your userpage.
Suggest today! :) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Note: edited link after move, if this is an official thing it goes in an official namespace kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Cool. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I just made a suggestion & so can you! Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 13:00, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I just made a suggestion & so can you!
- Cool.
Editing Userpages
I can not edit a Userpage after I make one. Can Someone Help? 
Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 00:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Can you provide us some links to look at? Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:04, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
New user group below EW
Hello, i am proposing a new user group below EW but above wikian. These users will have slightly more rights than Wikians bot not all EW rights.
This user group will be appointed by Sysops and bureaucrats whenever necessary.
Rights:
- Move files
- Delete files
- Patrol edits
- Quickly rollback the edits of the last user who edited a particular page
However, these users will not have these rights:
- Have one's own edits automatically marked as patrolled
- Apply tags along with one's changes
- Add and remove arbitrary tags on individual revisions and log entries
- Delete pages
- Edit pages marked as bot-protected
- Edit pages protected for Experienced Wikians and above
- View user credentials
- View the queue with requested accounts
Benefits:
- Gains trust in users by slowly giving them more rights
- Users can gain more experience with some admin tools before being given more rights
- When deciding candidates for elections admins can see how the users have been doing for the rights already given
Name:
I am thinking of trusted wikian for the name of this usergroup as they are trusted therefore they have slightly more rights than normal users.
Requirements:
You can not nominate yourself to be a member of this usergrouup, but you need to be a wikian.
Thoughts? asqwde talk | contribs 12:30, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- The reasoning behind this modification would be that the administrators would see who they could promote- which is kind of the point of having the Experienced Wikian role (I've heard people refer to it as a trial-admin role, but it can also be a permanent role as it is for me). I'm not sure I support having another role like this, and believe that users can show themselves to be capable in a future election by creating quality edits and being helpful to all in the community. As an aside, regular users can already "move" files.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:40, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 15:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- EW already serves this purpose. Just no. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 15:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- EW already serves this purpose. Just no.
- I agree.
__INDEX__
How quickly do pages with __INDEX__ get indexed? Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 19:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Immediately, but it doesn't matter because all pages are indexed anyway, so that behavior switch has no effect. Only NOINDEX actually does things. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 19:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Variable Template
I am reviving a discussion from early 2014. I think the idea of a template for displaying a Block Plugin variable would be very convenient, especially for people who don't know scratchblocks very well. Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 01:08, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- (no) So like {{#tag:sb|(var)}}? Is it really useful? Block plugins make pages heavier. Consider making things like {{key press}}. Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 04:53, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Blob8108 rightfully pointed out in that discussion that you can just use inline scratchblocks; if you don't know how to use them, learn. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Blob8108 rightfully pointed out in that discussion that you can just use inline scratchblocks; if you don't know how to use them, learn.
Compliment Tuesday! July 31st 2018
Welcome to the 7th Compliment Tuesday! July 31st 2018.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
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| Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs) |
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| Apple502j (talk | contribs) |
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| Millie_S (talk | contribs) |
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| CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) |
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The next CT is August 8th 2018! See you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Template:Updating timestamp
On lots of Help and Scratch Wiki pages, users have put
{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)to make a timestamp that updates with the time. Should we make this a template at Template:Updating timestamp?
- Pros
- Shorter to make an updating timestamp
- Less confusing for newer editors that need an updating timestamp
CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 17:05, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm... It is not that much shorter to make a time stamp and they do update: 21:28 also when you are new making a template or using special formatting is hard at first. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:58, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- For me, it is not difficult at all making this template or any template at all. CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 01:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, no need - if you have a need for it you'd look up the magic words before looking for a template anyway. There's also too much dynamicity as to how a timestamp might be shown.
- Besides, we have this:
- For me, it is not difficult at all making this template or any template at all.
{{#time:H:i:s d/m/Y}}
- Which produces:
- 21:28:52 22/07/2024 kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 11:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Check Users
What is the usergroup "Check user"? CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 17:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- They can check their IP Address. But currently, bureaucrats do their work. Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 00:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- It's a usergroup that comes with the CheckUser extension that we installed about a week ago. Since bureaucrats have the same permissions as that usergroup, the group remains empty. I've now removed the group entirely (just a quick hack in the extension code). kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 11:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
News Entry
- August 1, 2018 — Scratch 3.0 beta released
- The Scratch Team has released the beta of Scratch 3.0. It can be viewed at beta.scratch.mit.edu and the final version is due to release on January 2nd asqwde talk | contribs 10:54, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Doing..., with some edits. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- August 2, 2018 - Scratch Wiki 3.0 is released (yep we just skipped over 2.0) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:32, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- August 2, 2018 - Scratch Wiki 3.0 is released (yep we just skipped over 2.0)
Should The Scratch 3.0 Forum be an article?
Should scratch 3.0 forum be an article? https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/57/
I was going to make one, but I wasn't sure if it should be. What do you think? Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, it should. We document all forums. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 19:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
An Interval for Featured Images
Howdy! In this section of the CP, I suggested having an "interval" (the word I used) for updating the Featured Images section on the front page. Does anyone have any suggestions for what this could be? Should we update it every month, or have it be more often than that? Thanks for your input. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:13, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe one or two weeks. Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 00:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- That sounds good to me as well - not too short, but not too long. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:18, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone's going to be able to get around to updating them every two weeks; how about a month? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone's going to be able to get around to updating them every two weeks; how about a month?
- That sounds good to me as well - not too short, but not too long.
We'll change FI when FA changes kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
How do you make a Welcome Page?
I have see that lots of people have specific Welcome Pages, but I'm not sure how to make one myself. Can anyone help me? 
16cmack (talk | contribs) 14:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, for starters, you can look at any of our welcome templates (each word is a different link), and click the pencil icon then "edit" to see the source code. Try to learn a bit about how HTML and CSS work, as well, since the Wiki uses a lot of those features. If you still don't get it, go ahead and reply here. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 15:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
New Template
We should have a template that inserts <span style="clear:both;"/>. If it's created, what should it be called? Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 01:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- {{clear}}. Jawiki has it. Enwiki did but deleted Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 05:04, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- I recreated it under the new name {{----}} a few months ago. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:56, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I recreated it under the new name {{----}} a few months ago.
Disambiguation pages in capital order?
Hi, to make all the disambiguation pages look more organized and easy to navigate should we capitalize all the items in the list and make them go in alphabetical order? asqwde talk | contribs 07:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- The items in the list should be links to titles, so the capitalization guideline is already set. Alphabetical order isn't really necessary I think, so don't make dedicated edits for it. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Why is see also allowed to be alphabetised them? asqwde talk | contribs 06:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Disambig pages are also allowed to be alphabetized; so are See Also sections. I don't believe that it's a good idea to make dedicated edits for alphabetizing See Also sections either though, that's also the kind of thing that should come with other edits. Typography (i.e. grammar/spelling) is the most minor kind of edit that can be done standalone (though you should improve as much as you can per edit!). kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:10, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- The following is my opinion.
- Why shouldn't we make very minor edits? What if a page is very great, except for those small edits that should be made? In my opinion, if you see something that should be made better on a page, go ahead and make the page better! It doesn't matter how small an edit is; even stuff like changing pages so that they follow the rules at S:STYLE can help with how clean the page's code is, and make the code look good. Even alphabetizing "See Also" sections and disambig pages can help how organized those sections/pages are. However, on disambiguations like Error (disambiguation), the links are organized into sections, and obviously we shouldn't alphabetize them so much that we come out of the sections. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- The following is my opinion.
- Disambig pages are also allowed to be alphabetized; so are See Also sections. I don't believe that it's a good idea to make dedicated edits for alphabetizing See Also sections either though, that's also the kind of thing that should come with other edits. Typography (i.e. grammar/spelling) is the most minor kind of edit that can be done standalone (though you should improve as much as you can per edit!).
- Why is see also allowed to be alphabetised them?
Interwiki Links to Test Wikis ?
At de: we have a lot of more interwiki-links because we also connected to the test-wikis. I think this could help to attract more authors of that languages to help. What do you think? Could that also be an idea for en: and the other Scratch-Wikis?
See (if you got the rights to access that pages):
MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think that is a great idea! It would show that they are many other wikis to edit. Also I think that we could have at bottom of the interwiki menu we could have a link that says Start a wiki in your own langue or something simlar to it that, when clicked it would lead to [Page Here]. What do you think? Also I do have rights to view the pages (de:Spezial:Interwikitabelle,Special:Interwiki) with-out being logged into my wiki accounts. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes!! This would be a great way to grow the test wikis, as you mentioned. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, Absolutely! Though that would give InterwikiBot a lot more work to do, I think it's for the best (and who minds a bot edit or two, eh? ). I'll set the interwikis now.
- @Jakel181: anyone can view the page, but only bureaucrats can edit it, FYI. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Just FYI I fixed your Slovenian link - Slovenian is sl not sk, which is Slovak. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Ken! :-) MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 07:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I support the suggestion even though it has already been implemented. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 11:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I support the suggestion even though it has already been implemented.
Just Uploaded Photo...
Hi! So I just uploaded a photo to the "Remix" article, but it doesn't show up for me. I don't know if any of y'all can see the photo, but please tell me if you can! I'm new at this, so I'm not sure about everything yet.
Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 22:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- You will see your upload here if it worked:
- As there is no entry with your name you did no upload. Perhaps something went wrong? Best read Help:Managing Files and try again, MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 22:31, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Compliment Tuesday! August 7th 2018
Welcome to the 8th Compliment Tuesday! August 7th 2018.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
| User | Compliments |
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| kenny2scratch (talk | contribs) |
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| bigpuppy (talk | contribs) | |
| ErnieParke (talk | contribs) | |
| jvvg (talk | contribs) | |
| CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) | |
| Millie_S (talk | contribs) | |
| jakel181 (talk | contribs) | |
| makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) | |
| Asqwde (talk | contribs) | |
| MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) |
| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The next CT is August 14th 2018! See you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Uploading Problems
I've changed my logo, and I've tried to upload it 3 times, but it isn't showing up in the upload log or when I try to put it on my profile page. 
KJRYoshi07 (BlueStarPort) (My Talk) (Contribs) 07:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- You're probably being prevented from uploading it without a comment (for a new version) or category (for new files). You need to describe the changes if you're uploading a new file; you need to have a category (use [[Category:Users' Logos]] for a logo) for new files.
- If you are doing everything right, then I can do it for you while I figure out what's wrong, send me a cubeupload link or something. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:28, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I found the solution! The file was too large, but it didn't say it was too large.
KJRYoshi07 (BlueStarPort) (My Talk) (Contribs) 08:10, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- It should have said that! The warning is usually right above the upload comment box, so you probably just didn't scroll down. I've edited the warning and disallow messages to make it more clear, but in the future remember to scroll down. Done kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- It should have said that! The warning is usually right above the upload comment box, so you probably just didn't scroll down. I've edited the warning and disallow messages to make it more clear, but in the future remember to scroll down.
- I found the solution! The file was too large, but it didn't say it was too large.
Change "waiting" to "in progress"
So on the wiki we have the template 
Waiting... but I think it should be change to "In progress", because I would think In progress would sound a little more professional to just "waiting" What do you think? Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think it should be applied to Doing... Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 16:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed I forgot we had that template. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 17:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- We have an {{In Progress}} template for pages that are being revamped, so "waiting" was used to avoid clashes. There's also a subtle difference between the two; Doing... is for when it's actively being done but taking some time; Waiting... is for when it's awaiting someone else's action (like a page needing deletion). I think it's fine as it is. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- We have an {{In Progress}} template for pages that are being revamped, so "waiting" was used to avoid clashes. There's also a subtle difference between the two;
- Agreed I forgot we had that template.
Part of a Page Needs To Be Updated
So, 16cmack became curator last night, but her username is under 'Current FPC' and 'Future Front Page Curators'. Can someone fix that? Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 19:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hi! It was updated! You might need to clear you cache to see it. To clear your cache go to the "For Editors" side and click "Purge cache" and click "Yes" Done Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 21:54, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
UnreleasedRemoval Template
A new Template! This one is about features which are going to be removed in unreleased versions of Scratch. What do you think? Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 02:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Could you give a few examples of features that we have pages for that will be actually removed? Note that things like the Pen category becoming an extension is not a removal. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- PicoBoard and Record Project Video afaik Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 12:59, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- PicoBoard and Record Project Video afaik
New FPC Has Been Chosen!
Hi! I saw on someone's profile that they added an application to the studio, Future FPCs. And the username of the chosen FPC is Flique! Would someone mind putting that in the Future FPCs section under List of Curators? Their shift is August 27 - September 3rd. Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 20:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- I added it for you. In the future, you can add it yourself at Curator (front page)/Future Curators, as that page is NOT updated by WikiMonitor jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done by jvvg. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles
I just made Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles. That page is for articles that will replace current ones on the release of Scratch 3.0. I hope you will improve the 3.0 articles and have them ready by the release of Scratch 3. CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,242 edits | Scratch 21:58, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Template:Unreleased Revert To Origanal
I have accidently edited Template:Unreleased/doc to my documentation of Template:UnreleasedRemoval. Can someone revert it? Thanks! Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 22:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done by CrazyBoy826. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Compliment Tuesday! August 14th 2018
Welcome to the 9th Compliment Tuesday! August 14th 2018.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
| User | Compliments |
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| Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs) |
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| Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) |
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| ErnieParke (talk | contribs) |
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| jvvg (talk | contribs) |
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| LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) | |
| CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) |
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| Purple Ember (talk | contribs) | |
| Fromage- (talk | contribs) | |
| FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) |
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| MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) | |
| Jakel181 (talk | contribs) | |
| Redglitter (talk | contribs) |
| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The next CT is August 21th 2018! See you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Great job, everyone! Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Great job, everyone!
Which subjects on this wiki can I create without it getting deleted?
I've already had 2 of my pages deleted, and I don't know what other type of pages would get deleted.
LuckyLucky7 (talk | contribs) 17:52, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
- You can create any articles that relate to scratch, that are not about user-generated content and that there isn't an article already created. asqwde talk | contribs 17:53, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
To clarify, what articles can and cannot be created is documented in Scratch Wiki:New Page Policies.
Wiki syntax is correct, just that instead of putting the four tildes on the next line:
::message ~~~~
(which produces, for me:)
- message
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
you need to instead put them at the end of the same line:
::message~~~~
(which produces, for me:)
- message kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- message
Get it? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Another clarification- you are allowed to post pretty much anything in your user space (besides content which violates the Scratch community guidelines). Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:37, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Most Needed References / Citation Needed List
Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if anyone knows which page most need references - I'm trying to add lots to articles so if anyone knows of an article or two that are in desparate need of references could you please let me know?
And if anyone has a list of the articles with the {{citation needed}} template on, that'd be well appreciated.
Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 541 edits) 12:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Any page with {{inaccurate}} is desperate for references; a page with {{citation needed}} needs a reference in that particular place.
- Pages with {{inaccurate}}: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Inaccurate&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1
- Pages with {{citation needed}}: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Citation_needed&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1
- Good luck adding references! kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:43, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks so much! Done
Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 541 edits) 12:45, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks so much!
A feature to be able to delete pages in your own userspace
So recently there was an idea of adding DeleteOwn to delete pages you created but was rejected as if you created a lot of popular pages they could easily be deleted. What about if you could delete pages in your own userspace, so for example i could delete any page with User:Asqwde/... ? asqwde talk | contribs 08:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Though I see the value, I don't think it's a common enough use case for an extension that allows this to be written and/or installed. At least for now, the admins are responsive enough that using {{delete}} usually gets it deleted rather quickly. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:43, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?
Done
At the DACH-Scratch-Wiki we are interested in a Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis, but until now we did not find somebody who could integrate it. If you have a look at Scratch-Wikis on a mobile device, you'll see that's really difficult to read it and nearly impossible to edit. Also Search-Engines rank down Websites that don't use Responsible Design. It should not be to difficult to integrate Responsive Design, because you could take the Wikipedia Skin as a template Here is a Manual that could help:
Who of you is interested and who is able to manage it? 
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 08:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- I would love to help out, but that kind of stuff isn't my area sadly :(.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 10:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- I am interested in helping out. I have experience coding (Html, CSS, Java, Python, some JS), and depending on my schedule, I think I can help out. I should be able to tell for sure if I can help or not by or on Saturday.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 12:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- @ErnieParke: Great! It also would be good, to have an Admin of the English Scratch-Wiki helping with this... MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 09:08, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- This should be a collaborative effort :) I want to help out but I already scheduled a lot of other things, so I can't do it all myself. @ErnieParke: If you are going to work on it, can you put the code on GitHub so that I can maybe I can do tweaks to it and make a pull request? And I am sure there are also other interested Scratchers! @MartinWollenweber: Great idea!
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 12:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- sure, I'll put any work on github. ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 10:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Update: I don't think I have enough time or the expertise to make a mobile design. Sorry. Maybe jvvg could help here? ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Update: I don't think I have enough time or the expertise to make a mobile design. Sorry. Maybe jvvg could help here?
- sure, I'll put any work on github.
- This should be a collaborative effort :) I want to help out but I already scheduled a lot of other things, so I can't do it all myself. @ErnieParke: If you are going to work on it, can you put the code on GitHub so that I can maybe I can do tweaks to it and make a pull request? And I am sure there are also other interested Scratchers! @MartinWollenweber: Great idea!
- @ErnieParke: Great! It also would be good, to have an Admin of the English Scratch-Wiki helping with this...
- I am interested in helping out. I have experience coding (Html, CSS, Java, Python, some JS), and depending on my schedule, I think I can help out. I should be able to tell for sure if I can help or not by or on Saturday.
I think I know of something that might be able to help you out here: mediawikiwiki:Extension:MobileFrontend and mediawikiwiki:Skin:MinervaNeue are what Wikipedia uses for its mobile view. Consider getting them? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 13:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Not Done!
Not done but I hope somone of the SW-admins is able to help. I think this will get important, as the Scratch-Team is also working an a mobile-device-version of Scratch (preview was shown at de:Scratch2015AMS including iOS-device :-) MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 21:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC) + MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
- I will be working on a mobile version of the skin (or maybe just responsive design for the current skin) throughout the summer, or maybe earlier if time allows. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 11:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- Waiting... Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 01:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- What progress was made? Millie S (talk|961 contribs|directory) 03:46, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- I now have a pull request with mobile design changes that I need everyone to review: https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/ScratchWikiSkin2/pull/38
- Please comment with any issues or suggestions. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:39, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Further discussion should go on the pull request. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Further discussion should go on the pull request.
- What progress was made?
New page idea: Scratch Wiki:Community Projects
Done
I have an idea for a new page, which is Scratch Wiki:Community Projects. This page would be for, well, "projects" the wiki community is working on. Each "project" would be in a subpage of Scratch Wiki:Community Projects.
An example of something that could be worked on using this is the in-progress privacy policy. After the project is done, it would be moved to the correct place.
I'm suggesting this because when working on stuff like this at the moment, we mostly use personal sandboxes (I think). This works, but a downside is that you need to give permission for other users to help edit, as it's a personal sandbox under userspace. I don't think we could use the main sandbox, as WikiMonitor clears it (and I don't think it's really intended for this kind of thing). This new page would be specifically used for community "projects" that anyone can help work on.
On the main community projects page, there would be...
- An explanation of the page
- A list of current "projects"
- A list of finished "projects" that used the page
So, what do you think? Sorry if I'm not explaining my idea that well, so feel free to ask questions (and give feedback). bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:40, 19 February 2018 (CET)
- That sounds like a great idea. Although, couldn't we not use our sandboxes to house these articles and just put it in mainspace with the {{In Progress}} template?
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:45, 19 February 2018 (CET)
- +1 This sounds like a great idea. It'll also help users interact with the community more, as well as allow for better collaboration on large projects and pages.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:32, 19 February 2018 (CET)- @KrIsMa True, but this could also be for stuff like the privacy policy page that is currently being worked on, which wouldn't be a mainspace page. Although, I suppose we could just put it under "Scratch Wiki:" and put that template on it... bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:34, 20 February 2018 (CET)
- But this is for community projects, so maybe {{stub}}? I still think we should have a page for it though. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:51, 20 February 2018 (CET)
- Yeah that was what I wanted to say. So, I am not sure. Maybe the reason why people start articles in their sandbox is because they don't know that inprogress articles can also be put into not their subpages, I have no idea.
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:20, 20 February 2018 (CET)
- I apreciate introducing something like projects and projectpages very much. But I would‘t like to have a separete (project) list, I had to look for additional to CP, to know „everything discussed in public at the wiki“. I think this Community Portal should stay the general List to get an overview about all this matters. And CP is also the location where new projects „grow“ that have no project-status at first. So why not combine all the issues:
- Community Portal often gets to long
- „not done“ does not get enough attention
- let‘s start with project pages
- We could "allow" or "suggest" to make a (project) subpage for each CP-issue that gets "to long + to old" and let only a header with an introduction (not longer then a teaser) here in CP. We could this header give a marker „this is a project“ (instead of „not done“). Fineshed projects go to the CP-archive. So the whole Project-Ideas could be introduced simply as an enlargement of this Community Portal without disrupting attention of the community in to much different locations. What do you think? MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 07:22, 20 February 2018 (CET)
- + As the result of a project mostely is a new article, but the project-page where you move a discussion, started in CP, is always a talk-page, there could be always this combination: Projectresults go to an article-page, project-discussion goes to the talk-page of this article. MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 07:32, 20 February 2018 (CET)
- + continued at: #A little reorganization of old topics MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 08:40, 21 February 2018 (CET)
- + continued at: #A little reorganization of old topics
- I apreciate introducing something like projects and projectpages very much. But I would‘t like to have a separete (project) list, I had to look for additional to CP, to know „everything discussed in public at the wiki“. I think this Community Portal should stay the general List to get an overview about all this matters. And CP is also the location where new projects „grow“ that have no project-status at first. So why not combine all the issues:
- But this is for community projects, so maybe {{stub}}? I still think we should have a page for it though.
- @KrIsMa True, but this could also be for stuff like the privacy policy page that is currently being worked on, which wouldn't be a mainspace page. Although, I suppose we could just put it under "Scratch Wiki:" and put that template on it...
- +1 This sounds like a great idea. It'll also help users interact with the community more, as well as allow for better collaboration on large projects and pages.
Please note: I know I said in the first post that I think we use personal sandboxes for the most part now, but I noticed we also use other stuff under people's userspace (at the moment). bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:41, 23 February 2018 (CET)
- I think that this is a good idea? Maybe a {{Community Projects}} Template? Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 07:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- This topic should have been Done a long time ago. This continues at #A little reorganization of old topics.
- @whatsfordinner77: I've already made a draft of the template, which you can see here. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- This topic should have been
A little reorganization of old topics
So, MartinWollenweber has been suggesting this for a while, but nobody's thought to bring this up as a topic of its own, so I thought I'd take the liberty of doing so.
The suggestion is: if a topic remains "not done" (or anything other than "done") for a long time, move it to its own subpage of the CP. This would remove the need for S:CPND, and would likely reduce loading times. Of course, there would be something at the top of the CP showing all the current "long time + hard work" topics.
Once the topics are finally "done", they should remain in their subpage, but the subpage should be protected to prevent further editing. That way, previous links to that subpage won't break or have to be redirected.
This would likely transcend the need for any of these suggestions or any of these suggestions, and would be a lot smoother, too! But there may be something I overlooked. Thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:12, 21 February 2018 (CET)
- We are moving to the right direction, but let‘s also include S:CP#New_page_idea:_Scratch_Wiki:Community_Projects. There you see that making the „long + old not dones“ a „scratch wiki project“=SWP could help. As there seems to be many SWPs that are the “creating or overworking of an existing article” but also others, that have no article in the mainspace I suggest:
- Introducing SWPs = Scratch Wiki Projects
- Let‘s make some SWP-templates: One is a SWP-marker+data template you use as a the head of a SWP. This SWP-marker+data holds the projectname, projectdescription, projectowner (=responsible!!!), project team members, project status, start+end date and so on. Also a project numer cold help to organize and reference to the projecs.
- This SWP-marker+data gets in the only-include section of the projectpage. A second SWP-reference-template (or simple “SWP-box”) can be used, to represent the SWP-marker+data at an other location, specially here at the CP but perhaps also at other locations like a project list page or when you want to reference to SWPs at other discussions. :*Because this projectmarker can include categories its possible to have projects automatically be listed and sorted by category.
- I would prefer that every SWP has a separate SWP-article and SWP-talkpage. The project article can, but must not be an article in the mainspace. It can also be an article in a “project sub space” but it always has a talk page for the discussion and a result-page, that can be the article itself in case its located in the mainspace.
- The SWP-reference templates (you can have multiple, depending how detailed the cited projectdata shoud be shown) can also include links to the project resultpage and the project talkpage.
- If a thread here in the CP gets to long, to old, or should better move to the artile discussion, you are free to set up a SWP by choosing or creating an article where the SWP should take place and putting a new SWP-marker there with yourself as the projectowner
- As there will also be a status and list for “rotten projcts” you should only start projects you really feel responsible for because else you get the reputation of “the owner of the most rotten projects” ;-) this helps to avoid “project inflation” that could be caused by the thought “I cearate many project, but will not do the work”.
- After the SWP-marker is set up, the SWP can be presented at the CP discussion by using one SWP-reference-template that gives you a nice box with the projectdata. Later the CP thread itself can be moved to the SWP-talk page, so that only the SWP-representation-box stays in the CP until the status of the project project is "finished" or "rotten".
- SWPs could automatically get “rotten” if nobody edited their result-page or their talk-page for a certain amount if time.
- Thoughts? MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 08:30, 21 February 2018 (CET)
- I think the SWP template could be something like this? (That's an old template idea of mine.)
- So if I'm getting you right, you're thinking of something similar to the CP but for things that specifically need "long time + hard work"? And each project is in a subpage, instead of as a section? That seems like a good idea - for example the ScratchSig extension's discussion could go in one subpage?
- I'm not sure what you mean by "each SWP should have a separate SWP-article and SWP-talkpage", though - isn't each SWP a discussion? Or am I missing something? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 13:38, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- Your suggestion for the SWT.template looks interesting. Originally I thougt it should look a littel bit like the round boxes used in FAQ-answers (e.g. What is SEO spam?) because additional to the different fields it must contain a teaser-like Projectdescription and the SWP-box will be the last that stays in CP when a CP-thread is moved to a talk-page of a project. So perhaps better have something that fills the complete row, not just a box on the right.
- To explain better what a SWP would be: Any article in mainspace, but also in any other space can get the status to be a project, just by adding the SWP-marker+data template at the top of its talk-page. If an article in mainspace is declared as a project the project-resultpage is the article itself: So it's very easy to say: "I want to work myself and am searching people to help me with this article": Only put a SWP-marker+data template at the top of the articles discussion page and put the SWP-reference-box in the CP.
- Good examples in the actual CP where you could use that kind of projects are the threads:
- Naturally there will be projects, that have no article in mainspace and that are "just projects": But also for this "just projects" its helpfull to have two pages: The result-page where you find all generell information an decissions in a brief form and the talk-page where you find and can talk part in the discussion that has lead to this results. Fo this "just projects" we should define a space where we can collect them.
- It's even possible to create a project at a subpage of your userpage and invite others. Here I made a example to show how it could roughly look like (just how it would look like!!! Doing it with templates would be much more spophisticated) :
This is the description of my test project
| project data | project data | project data | project data |
- In this case I put the SWP-box also at the project results page because it helps with navigation. We should discuss if this is acceptable in generall, specially if the project is an article in mainspace.
- I think with this realively easy concept of projects we are fast, flexible and easy to understand, if it's transfered to templates that are looking good and very handy to use.
- Do you now understand what I tried to explain above? What do you think? MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 15:59, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- Ah, that makes more sense! So you mean any page can be converted into a SWP just by adding the template, and then discussion for the project will be on the talk page? And there will be a link to the project from the CP as well? That sounds like a great idea!
- I think we should wait for others to comment on this discussion; then once we know everyone's ok with it we can proceed to design the template and then get this started!
- How about the idea of moving "long time + hard work" topics to subpages of the Community Portal, though? I think that would still be a good idea to keep, since it still does make the CP more organized and reduces loading time a bit. Thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 17:06, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- more sense: Yes, now you got me right!
- Waiting for others to agree: Yes, in any case. Hope they also like it and add more ideas...
- moving "long time + hard work": You could do that with exact the same technique, if there is no fitting article to put the project in, e.g. you could use:
- or
- MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 17:31, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- I like the template! A +1 from me. I have some questions:
- How exactly will the template work? Will it be like this?
{{SWP|link to talk page|link to project page|link to Community Portal section|project #}}
- Will there be a main page with a list of projects and their numbers (and possibly a description of each one)? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:52, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- There will be at least two templates, one top at the project page like:
- *
{{SWPdata| projctnumber |projectname |projectdescription |projectowner |projectstatus | projctstartdate | projectenddate |...}}and - *
{{SWPbox|projectpagename}}(used in CP, no other parameters needed) - Any not finished project should have at least a SWPbox in CP. Additionell there could be other articles that list projects, but if the SWPbox-trmplate could also include categories, list of projects could also easy generated automatically MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 18:18, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- I like the template! A +1 from me. I have some questions:
Okay. Should we make a page with an explanation and a list (automatically updated like you said)? Or the template(s)? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:26, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- Maybe Scratch Wiki:Projects? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:27, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- An additional listing of SWPs at an own page is always possible, but never essential as project will always be starting in a CP thread and the SWPbox stays there , after the duscussion of that thread was moved to the projects talk page, until the project is finished or rotten. A lists of projects can be automatically created by categories. A page with a separate manual listing of all projects is somewhat artificial and tends to be unmantained. But it can be done by somone who is interested. I supphose that the projectowners will not care for that separate list themself, because for them it‘s enough to put the SWPmarker in the project and the SWPbox in the CP thread. MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 23:18, 22 February 2018 (CET)
- Or maybe we could have a page that has an explanation but only links to the category so it doesn't need to be updated? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:42, 23 February 2018 (CET)
- Yes, that‘s a good idea! The concept of SWP has to be explained somwhere in any case, and to present the SWP-categories there is the best place. We can have multiple SWPcategories e.g. sorted by projectstate and by projectspace, because the category inside the SWPdata-template could be conditional and dependent of data or space. So with your suggestion we have a place to explain the SWP-concept and to jump into the „list of all active/finished/rotten project“ all projects in „mainspace/projectspace/userspave“ and so on. MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 07:15, 23 February 2018 (CET)
- Okay, I have a prototype of a template, here. How's it look? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 15:40, 23 February 2018 (CET)
- Looks good, but do we understand each other right concerning that the SWPdata should only be defined one time at the top of the SWP-talkpage? The SWPbox in the CP and anywhere else should only be a template that shows the same data, but does not include the data itself in its parameters (the only paramter would be the pagename of the SWPdata). Its a littel like the Translate-template at the Test-Wiki ( tw:Eng:Scratch_Wiki_Home/translate ). To have multiple SWPbox-formats e.g. small and big ones (SWPbox1 , SWPbox2 ...) the SWPdata could be in <onlyinclude> so you don't see it at it's page and it delivers only the parameterstring that than goes into a SWPbox within <noinclude> that does the visualisation on that page. You could than put the {{page}} within any SWPbox-template, that can visualize that parameterstring. That's really a bit of sophisticated template programming but I think you are familiar with that. Right? MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 16:28, 23 February 2018 (CET)
- Looks good, but do we understand each other right concerning that the SWPdata should only be defined one time at the top of the SWP-talkpage? The SWPbox in the CP and anywhere else should only be a template that shows the same data, but does not include the data itself in its parameters (the only paramter would be the pagename of the SWPdata). Its a littel like the Translate-template at the Test-Wiki ( tw:Eng:Scratch_Wiki_Home/translate ). To have multiple SWPbox-formats e.g. small and big ones (SWPbox1 , SWPbox2 ...) the SWPdata could be in <onlyinclude> so you don't see it at it's page and it delivers only the parameterstring that than goes into a SWPbox within <noinclude> that does the visualisation on that page. You could than put the {{page}} within any SWPbox-template, that can visualize that parameterstring. That's really a bit of sophisticated template programming but I think you are familiar with that. Right?
- Okay, I have a prototype of a template, here. How's it look?
- Yes, that‘s a good idea! The concept of SWP has to be explained somwhere in any case, and to present the SWP-categories there is the best place. We can have multiple SWPcategories e.g. sorted by projectstate and by projectspace, because the category inside the SWPdata-template could be conditional and dependent of data or space. So with your suggestion we have a place to explain the SWP-concept and to jump into the „list of all active/finished/rotten project“ all projects in „mainspace/projectspace/userspave“ and so on.
- Or maybe we could have a page that has an explanation but only links to the category so it doesn't need to be updated?
- An additional listing of SWPs at an own page is always possible, but never essential as project will always be starting in a CP thread and the SWPbox stays there , after the duscussion of that thread was moved to the projects talk page, until the project is finished or rotten. A lists of projects can be automatically created by categories. A page with a separate manual listing of all projects is somewhat artificial and tends to be unmantained. But it can be done by somone who is interested. I supphose that the projectowners will not care for that separate list themself, because for them it‘s enough to put the SWPmarker in the project and the SWPbox in the CP thread.
I created a page with an explanation of Scratch Wiki Projects here; feel free to add to it and edit it. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:29, 23 February 2018 (CET)
- I fixed up my template (again, see here). Also, I will demo the CP-topic part:
| Description | Status | Owner | Started | Links |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| This template will eventually be the template used for Scratch Wiki Projects. | Done | Kenny2scratch | 23/2/2018 | Project results |
| Project page | ||||
| Project discussion |
- @mtwoll: is this what you had in mind? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:45, 25 February 2018 (CET)
- Yes, looks good! You saw my idea below that would enable us to have all projectdata at one page? You already said „it‘s to much“ but it has some advantages... MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 08:09, 25 February 2018 (CET)
- I got the impression we have been a little bit stucked with this matter...so perhaps the best is to give one version of SWP a try and see how it works?
- I would prefer that the first version of the SWP-box looks the same everywhere to get used to it. I', mot sure if my last idea to have all SWP-data at one page with the help of section-transclusion is best, but it would help to always find the last number and have a section with an existing PWC-data-definition to copy from if you create an new one...also you could reference the PWC-data with the section-headline that could be year+PWS-Nr (starting with PWS 1 every year again,(e.g. PWS2018-001..PWS2018-038 and PWS2019-001..PWS2019-033). But perhaps also having the data in each separate PWS-discussion-page is best...we will see..
- Better let's start now somehow and learn if it works than waiting much longer. MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 17:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
- Are we still going to do this? bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:28, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- Moved topic to Not Done. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- I've moved my userspace template to templatespace. I'm starting a new SWP with the other language tutorials idea. Done kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- I've moved my userspace template to templatespace. I'm starting a new SWP with the other language tutorials idea.
- Moved topic to Not Done.
- Are we still going to do this?
- I got the impression we have been a little bit stucked with this matter...so perhaps the best is to give one version of SWP a try and see how it works?
- Yes, looks good! You saw my idea below that would enable us to have all projectdata at one page? You already said „it‘s to much“ but it has some advantages...
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