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kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

The Scratch Mod Wiki

Unresolved ^{(see all...)}

create a wiki about scratch mods. it would be good to document scratch mods which aren't allowed rn. we have modshare so why not modwiki? mods.scratch-wiki.info
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 21:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Sure, but how many editors would be invested in such a wiki? There are enough things to keep me busy on the regular Scratch Wiki that I know I wouldn't ever go on a Scratch Mod Wiki.

Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 22:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER This is a very cool idea, and it would be beneficial to the Scratch modding community. However, I'm not sure it's something that the folks hosting the Scratch Wiki will be able to tackle efficiently along with all the other Scratch Wikis. More moderators might be needed to watch for bad edits on both wikis, the servers might need to be upgraded, etc. I'm not someone who moderates/hosts the wiki, so I don't definitively know how hard it'd be, but that's just my guess. Perhaps you could consider creating an unofficial Scratch Mod Wiki on another site, like Miraheze? (One word of advice: If you do go down that path, please don't use Fandom. As someone who adopted a wiki there and is trying to become independent, it's riddled with ads and, due to its forking policy, will only make things more complicated for you should you choose to move somewhere else.)

Minikiwigeek2 (talk | contribs) 03:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, a mod wiki would be scope creep. We already have our hands full maintaining the Wikis for the various languages (I just spent about 15 minutes having to deal with the latest round of 503s/508s), and mods aren't as related to Scratch as most of the rest of the content here. Anyone is welcome to create their own Wiki, but I don't think the Scratch Wiki Team is going to be willing to invest any resources into it, and I also doubt the Scratch Team would link to it in the official capacity they link to this Wiki.

jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Update Pages for Debug Update

Unresolved ^{(see all...)}

Scratch has recently released a large update adding multiple features to the editor and website. A lot of these features I can't even access because a lot of them are only available for New Scratchers (and I'm not making a new account just for this).

Could we start working on updating the wiki to reflect these new changes? I also created the Debugging Help page as that is a new feature part of this update.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 17:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll add a mention of Debugging Help to the Scratch 3.0 article. Also, I'm probably just not looking hard enough, but what other changes did they make to the website, exactly? I don't see anything else that's different...?

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 20:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Minikiwigeek2 See topic:795061

A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 20:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Oh okay, thank you! I have browser extensions enabled which modify my navbar, and since I click on the Ideas page about once every year, I wouldn't have noticed a change if I didn't have them on lol

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 21:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Need help with fixing double redirects

Resolved ^{(since 14:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC))}

Yes, I need help with fixing these after large block page moving. The large move caused several double redirects to be made. Fixing them will help with the redirect traffic. (i am about to go to bed so that is why i need help)
ninjahanzo ( Talk | Contribs | Scratch ) 07:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I fixed most of it, but the rest of the double redirects are in userspace, so I can't edit them without permission from the user with the content (or an admin). I'll leave them alone for now

ninjahanzo ( Talk | Contribs | Scratch ) 17:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

More articles have entered the list, so this still isn't resolved.

Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 18:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed all of the mainspace double redirects, so this is

Done.

Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 14:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

February Featured Images

Hello everyone! Happy New Year! I have awoken from my slumber to update the featured images. It's been over a year since they were last updated—I apologize for the delay. If you have any suggestions for next month's featured images, please leave them below. Please also include an explanation for why you think the image(s) that you suggest should be featured.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 10:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

FINALLY, the featured images were updated. Here is my suggestion (will add more):

File:Alt-Click.png - this is an obscure feature, and I think more scratchers should know about it.

A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 21:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

File:RemixVisualization.png I have an Idea Why don't we feature a remix tree?

R4WU (talk | contribs) 09:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Remove mentions of the modern TBG forums.

TBG users are currently considering making the TBG forums 13+ (13+ sites are a no-go on Scratch), and there is a suggestion here which suggests to ban mentioning the TBG forums, as a very active user there has a link to a Discord server in their signature. In fact, the ST seems to be implementing this - the link in TIMAC's guidelines was removed after I reported the guidelines to implement this.

Please express your opinions by replying.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 22:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I'm definitely not the most qualified person to talk about this, but based on a quick read on the article, it seems to be a part of Scratch history we should strive to document. While it's not the biggest thing in the world, it would be a shame to remove this part of Scratch history which some people seem to enjoy. If the Scratch Team were to place a policy banning mentions of the TBG forum, we can just simply remove the link to the modern-day version and add a section about the Scratch Team's discontinuation of affiliation.

Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 02:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Gdxfor, I am referring to the modern TBG forums. We can keep mentioning the old TBG forums, as they were on Scratch, and as a result were never 13+ and never would be. But the proposed policy would to ban links or mentions of the modern TBGs, which are currently considering separating from the Scratch community.

A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 10:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jvvg, Han614698, Minikiwigeek2, Ninjahanzo, you are invited to this discussion. Please leave your thoughts.

A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 11:47, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I think we should wait until the Scratch Team says that it wouldn't be allowed to link to them, or they do make the site 13+ before we do anything. Unless at least one of these conditions are met in the future, it would be a

No support for now.

ThisIsTemp1 (talk | contribs) 14:54, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I also

Do not support for now. The TBGs haven't officially stated they want to be disassociated from Scratch - they've only run a poll about it to gather people's feedback. Additionally, Scratch and the Wiki have plenty of official links to sites hosting 13+ content. Scratch links to their Twitter account when the website goes down, the Wiki has an entire article listing all of Scratch's social media accounts, and while those aforementioned examples are links to Scratch-owned accounts, cubeupload (an image host that Scratch doesn't own but pushes heavily for Scratchers to use on the forums) has a link to their own Twitter account and Discord server in their footer. I think it'd be a good idea to reassess this suggestion later, if or when the TBGs and/or Scratch explicitly state they're no longer associated, but for now I feel it's a little too soon to take action.

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 15:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I

Somewhat do not support for now. Scratch and the Wiki are able to link to (13+) social media. There is existing content out of the linked Scratch pages in the media that are 13+. However, we can simply wait until Scratch takes action. By then, I would support, but for now, no support.

ninjahanzo ( Talk | Contribs | Scratch ) 19:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add a news item

Resolved ^{(since 22:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC))}

I suggest that you add a news item about the new Scratch Design Studio, "Out in the Cold".
-unsigned comment by Pytherium (talk | contribs)

Done

jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Suggestion: Millionified Scratch Wiki

Resolved ^{(since 08:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC))}

During my Scratchiversary, Millionified versions of articles would replace original versions of articles. Those who don't care could disable the feature, because why not. The feature is meant to celebrate.

Effects everywhere

Blue

The wiki would be mainly blue.

New icon

Look at the right of this page. Do you see a Scratch Cat in the puzzle sphere thingy? The Scratch Cat would be replaced with a Million Cat (a light blue Scratch Cat).

Link effects

When a cursor hovers over a link to my userpage, either of my talkpages, my contributions page, or any post I originally created, blue confetti appears. This could be disabled to reduce lag, but it's not recommended to do this for high performance computers.

Suggestions come to life

A few of my forum suggestions would come to life, such as:

The messages icon would be dark green.
A "RickrollShield" mode will protect you from links that lead you to a rickroll.

Whoops, I forgot to sign

MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 22:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@MillionOfficial Are you asking to change the wiki when it's the anniversary of your Scratch account? If so, your suggestion will definitely not be accepted. The Scratch Wiki is intended to be a place to learn about Scratch, not an advertising hub.

Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 22:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

It won't change the Wiki that much, but the Wiki will change. And that doesn't matter, it would be a place to learn about Scratch AND an advertising hub! The page-changing thing is inspired by AFD articles.
MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 23:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

@MillionOfficial The Scratch Wiki is not going to go out of its way to advertise a specific Scratcher. If the Scratch Wiki doesn't change when it's my Scratch account's anniversary, it shouldn't for any other Scratcher either. Making the Scratch Wiki an advertising hub would also completely defeat the point of the Wiki, as everyone would be changing articles to include advertisements, and the Wiki would dissolve into mass chaos.

Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 23:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

No support, not just because of Gdxfor's reasons, but because it's practically impossible to implement.

Plenty of people join Scratch every day, and without a doubt, there's plenty of people who registered for Scratch the same day you did. If the Wiki were to implement this suggestion, it'd basically mean the Wiki would have to turn into a giant advertisement for a particular Scratcher every day they reach their Scratchiversary - and since a ton of people join Scratch daily, that means a lot of advertisements would be required per day. This is a weird example, but it'd basically be The Water Buffalo Song from VeggieTales realized - someone gets something cool that other people don't have, so people feel like they're entitled to that cool thing as well, so the Scratch Wiki gets a ton of nasty letters saying, "Where's my Scratch Wiki day? Why don't I have a Scratch Wiki day?" And are the Scratch Wiki prepared to deal with that? I don't think so.

Additionally, you mention your "forum suggestions coming to life", which falls outside the scope of the Wiki project. The Scratch Wiki does not have the ability to implement forum suggestions - the Scratch Wiki and the Scratch website are run by completely different people. I would suggest making a post in the Suggestions forum for that particular proposal instead - if not for the fact that your forum proposal suffers the exact same issue I just described.

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 03:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

As said before, this would make the Wiki into an advertisement, which is not it's purpose. Even if the Wiki allowed advertising, why do you think that you should get featured on the Wiki? Secondly, they changed the navbar to purple for accessibility reasons I believe, wouldn't this make the Wiki less accessible to those who don't have an account?

ThisIsTemp1 (talk | contribs) 13:32, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

@MillionOfficial

No support. I'm not an EW, but this is obviously rejected. If the Wiki is Millionified on your Scratchiversary, why don't we make it Ampified on mine? Or Jvvgified on his?

A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 17:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Lol I didn’t even think about that
MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 04:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Making a userpage that redirects to mine

Resolved ^{(since 03:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC))}

Some people keep misspelling my username as "MillionOffical". So, can I make a userpage called "User:MillionOffical" that redirects to "User:MillionOfficial"?
MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 23:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm gonna guess

You can't, because articles in the User:MillionOffical (note misspelling) userspace are meant to only be created and edited by the user MillionOffical (unless they give permission for other users to edit their pages). There's an unlikely (but possible) chance that someone on Scratch named MillionOffical could get a wiki account under the misspelled name, and having someone edit their user page to redirect to someone else's would likely be frowned upon.

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 03:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Rickroll Category?

Resolved ^{(since 10:29, 18 January 2025 (UTC))}

I want to make a category called "Pages with Rickrolls" in order to protect other Wikians from rickrolls. Is this allowed?
MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 16:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Again, I am not an EW or admin, so I can't give a definitive answer, but

I assume the answer is no, for several reasons. First of all, are there really that many articles with Rickrolls, to the point that having an entire category to document them is justified? Are Rickrolls really that significant in regards to the Scratch Wiki mission, to the point that having an entire category to document them is justified?

I'd imagine that the majority of articles that do have Rickrolls are Scratch Wiki:April Fools articles, where Rickrolls are very much fine, to be expected, and undeserving of a warning. On the contrary, articles in the mainspace that include Rickrolls shouldn't even have them due to not being related to Scratch (a possible exception are the articles documenting trends.)

I know you say this category is meant to "protect other Wikians from Rickrolls", but there's nothing that Wikians need to be protected from in the first place — Rickrolls aren't malicious or harmful, they're harmless pranks involving a silly music video on the internet. Used in the right context (which they certainly are on the Wiki), Rickrolls are all in good, clean fun. And, hypothetically speaking, if a Rickroll was actually something inappropriate, it wouldn't even be included on the Wiki in the first place, let alone have an entire category to warn people about it.

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 17:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree. This category is largely useless. If someone replaces a link as a prank (except on AF pages), that is an issue.

Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 01:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I think this is obviously rejected so marking as resolved.

A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 10:29, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

[Suggestion] Interwiki for ocular-topic and ocular-post

This would be useful for retrieving posts from dustbinned topics and keeping them as sources. Especially since the topic about the 2024-10-28 Outage was dustbinned, and the internet archive was down while the topic existed.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 11:08, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm on the fence. While I do think it would be very helpful in the interest of preservation and providing context to posts that have since been removed, one also has to consider that if a topic/post is dustbinned, that could likely mean the Scratch Team (or the topic/post OP) don't want its information to stay publicly available (even if there are third-party workarounds). Having an official resource provide access to the removed posts through a third-party tool might go against the Scratch Team (or the OP's) wishes to hide the content.

minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions⁽²⁴¹⁾, scratch) 01:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Can I make a Rickroll Agency Siggy template or will we have to use staff names?

Resolved ^{(since 16:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC))}

The siggy will be made for messages from the entire Rickroll Agency team. I won’t put it in mainspace.
MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 16:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

You can do whatever as long as it is in your userspace and follows guidelines. [| Here's the guidelines.]

Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 16:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

get rid of the double-space blocks.

Unresolved ^{(see all...)}

There is a rendering glitch in the scratch wiki that causes scratchblocks with double spacing between :: to have an extra space at the end. After testing this does not happen on the forums or scratchblocks.github.io.

Example :: motion

The correct block should be:

Example::motion

If anyone could remove them all, or if an admin could update the mediawiki extension for scratchblocks to resolve the issue, this would be great.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,144) 21:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER: We don't do any special rendering on our end, we just use the off-the-shelf scratchblocks JS. I'm looking into it, but can't make any guarantees I'll find anything anytime soon. If you come up with a fix, please feel free to submit a PR on our GitHub repo.

jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

As far as I know, scratchblocks rendering is client-side. The code for the first example is Example :: motion and the second is Example::motion. This bug does not affect comments (//), or new lines. If there are multiple spaces, they all get included as part of the block, too. My theory is the parser does not discard spaces before the ::, so they show up as spaces on the blocks.

Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 14:38, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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